Biblical Contradictions/Inconsistencies
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And ticattack - I believe you should try putting those ideas to the test. Talk through your ideas on the "scam" of Christianity. Ask people who understand the Bible to show you how what you see as 'contradictions' are not so...or if they are, watch them see that too. |
Here are the ground rules:
- You cannot use any personal experiences or revelations to support your arguments. I don't give a damn if Jesus came and had morning tea with you, 'cause I don't know that.
- You cannot fall back on "because I believe in God", or anything like that. That's not fair, because those debating against Christianity have no such inpenetrable (and infuriating) defense.
- If you say something as fact, I want a quote from the bible. For ease of copying, go here. I believe it was said that the King James version was commonly used? So that will be the "default", but if something is said in at least three English versions on that site, then it can count.
If you say God forbids drinking, tell me where it says that. If you say he forbids priests from marriage, tell me where it says that. List all quotes with a number, like John 3:16 or whatever. - Statements issued by the Vatican or whatever do not count, as they are mortals. I'm aware the bible has been warped by mortals throughout the years, but assuming that it was originally God's word, it's a best a source as we have.
- We are approaching this from the angle that God does exist, and that the bible is fairly accurate when it comes to what happened. If Christians cannot use "because I believe", then we cannot use "the bible is wrong on this point".
- By the same token, neither can the pro-Christian debaters. The bible is the bible. You cannot take some parts as God's word, and claim others are crap, unless there is some form of proof that it's garbage.
- We proceed under the assumption that God sees and knows all.
- Keep it civil. This is not a place for opinions and rants, it is place for discussing inconsistencies and contradictions in the bible. If your only input is "Christianity's stupid", bugger off. I want rational arguments and discussion, not flaming - please, I'm sure we can manage this for once, right?
Problem the First
God sees all. And yet in numerous instances -
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Originally Posted by Genesis 3:8-11
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" |
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Originally Posted by Genesis 4:8-10
Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?" The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. |
By the same token, how can he (fairly) punish Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit when he made it "good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom" (Genesis 3:6). He also apparently made the serpent, as he'd made everything, right? Knowing that the serpent would deceive them, why not simply not make him?
We have several possible scenarios here. Either:
- God is bound by some rules or guidelines, and had to include the snake,
- God is a tormenting sh*t, and was toying with Adam and Eve,
- God was testing their loyalty. Why? He already knew what the answer was.
I'll come back later and add more. Right now, I need to shower. Hvg, religio-zealots and atheists alike, have at it.