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Originally Posted by Zelkon
Well. Sorry to disappoint, but that's not really what I was saying. I personally find the Green Party preferable to the two major parties, being a hardcore liberal (I'm a fan of socialism).
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Oh, I'm pretty leftist myself. I'm a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation. I'm not saying that you find the major parties preferable.
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However, the American people are not ready for a 3 party system, indeed, it will most likely never happen.
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What I am saying is that this is bullshit. A three party system isn't going to have the American people's heads exploding. It's not any more complicated, it would simply improve the quality of political discourse. Even if Jill Stein never won anything ever, her presence at debates would force candidates to talk about things. Where's the talk about the climate crisis? Also, with another party, it'd be difficult to run a negative campaign.
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Additionally, the Green Party has no presence at any level beside city, and even that is meh. Before people will consider them as THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, they need to hold some other positions of power. And believe me, the second they become a major party, those corporate interests are going to flood in. Right now, Jill Stien is just taking votes away from Obama for the most part, and so supporting her is doing NOTHING for anything the Green Party supports. So. Congrats.
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I agree with you that they might need a tad bit more influence, to say the least, but please understand, that's not what I'm arguing for. I'm not arguing for Jill Stein 2012. I'm arguing for the debate to be opened up to third party candidates who have their names on enough ballots to win 270 electoral votes. I'm arguing that not having television exposure shouldn't stop them from getting television exposure. The CPD is a completely corrupt organization, and needs to be taken out of control of this.
Furthermore, supporting Jill Stein is saying that I want something new. I live in New York. A vote for Obama is a waste, a vote for Romney is a bigger waste. Also, both candidates are terrible anyway. Sure, I prefer Obama over Romney, but honestly, it's not like he's done an amazing job as president.
Also, Obama's ahead in Ohio, which is basically all that matters due to electoral college. "So. Congrats."
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Originally Posted by muggie2
I approve of some of their ideas, and think the implementation of them may work. I am dubious about a number of their other views, and don't know if they could (or should) be implemented effectively. I know some of their views are just plain wrong, and hope they never get a chance to implement them.
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Jill Stein's plan involves using the money that's constantly being used to bail out the banks to bail out students who were told that college was the way of the future, and came out unemployed or underemployed. There's more student debt than credit card debt at this point in the nation.
She wants to embrace energy independence, and set up renewable, clean energy sources, which will create tons of jobs, because people need to run these systems. You know what? Just go to
this page and read her Green New Deal for yourself.
Again, I'm not a member of the Green Party. I believe that many of the third party candidates have good idea that simply aren't being heard. For example, Virgil Goode, Constitution Party candidate, brings up a strong argument that I had never previously considered: There are 1.2 million green cards issued every year, and about 75% of those people take jobs here. We're in an economic crisis. Maybe some of those green cards shouldn't be issued
Aside from this, I find Virgil Goode to be as conservative as conservative could be, which is generally not my thing, but I've learned something: I don't hate conservatives. I don't think they're to blame. I won't buy into the mainstream media's "OBAMA VS. ROMNEY! FIGHT!" nonsense.