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Originally Posted by Silverthorne
Sorry to say, but yes in their eyes they are civilized.
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And in their eyes we'd be uncivilized. So we're resorting to moral relativism then? We can take this discussion that way, but that's a very slippery slope.
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The way you put it the Mormons would also be considered uncivilized. Their beliefs are strong enough that it changes the way they live their lives.
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Ehrm.....no. Mormons are in no way a threat to our day to day lives, even when they live in the same country as some of us, and they generally respect basic human rights. You can't extrapolate what I said to Mormons, Jehova's witnesses or any other minority religion. As a matter of fact, Mormons are generally known for being hard working and having relatively low crime rates. Some of us might say that they think their doctrines are weird, but nobody would say they're dangerous. As a matter of fact, compare the level of scrutiny Mormons in the US get in the mainstream media to the scrutiny Muslims get in the US. It almost makes me wonder why they haven't blown up the Washington monument yet.
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So you take a Muslim and ask why is your prophet so important. Your going to get a very direct explanation, he is their holy messenger. This would be the same as one of the Muslim nations producing a movie showing Jesus to be a womanizer and beating up little kids.
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You mean sort of like Life of Brian? Or one of the hundreds of other Christian parodies that have been produced? If the deepest, most intimate convictions of Christians, or any other religious group for that matter, aren't safe from scrutiny then why should Islam be an exception?
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There are a lot of Christians that would attack the nearest mosk because of it.
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Believe me, if there are Christians in a country with a significant number of mosks they are more likely to be persecuted than persecute others. One of the worst situations imagineable must be being a Coptic Christian in contemporary Egypt.
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Now some of them might not directly attack them, but you can be absolutely sure that they would verbally attack them, they would go out of their way to make the area unwelcoming to any Muslim.
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Yes, because verbal scrutiny is so comparable to physical assault and terrorism, right?
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The local church groups might demand the mosk be removed due to any number of slights(imagined or not), you can also bet that the Christian community would start causing problems for the mosk.
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This hardly even happened after
9/11, how do you think this will happen when Muslims make Life of Brian 2.0? Even the ground zero mosk wasn't considered a problem purely for being a mosk in New York, but being a mosk near ground zero, so that is the worst kind of grand scale "persecution" Muslims can expect in the west under the worst circumstances. If this was the worst that happened to Jews in Iran, they'd consider life there paradise compared to their current situation.
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Do you see the correlation. There violence is a way of life, here it is not. So when they react with violence, that is the way of things over there. Look at how long most of the Arabic nations have been fighting either each other or internally or just defending themselves from some "civilized" nation that wants their land.
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And that's exactly why I don't consider them civilized. In the West and many non-Western areas of the world (Latin America, East-Asia, Russia, India etc.) we have accepted for quite a while now that throwing a tantrum isn't the way to solve your differences. This is something the muslim world must also learn.
We must accept that the muslim world, as it is now, is a threat to our civil rights and liberties. This means we have to make a choice between being "nice" and forfeiting out civil liberties for the sake of people that aren't even part of our social contract or make clear that we will not bend the knee to them and defend the rights our forefathers in all Western nations have fought and died for.