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Originally Posted by Savayan
Actually, our PM has been lobbying hard to repeal the Radio Act. We just hold our laws to be more important than our current administrations narrow ideology. Fox isn't specifically banned, it's just that its' issues with telling the truth run up against our laws requiring truth in news. If it starts broadcasting the truth again, it'll be welcome to broadcast here.
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The truth according to who? That's the point I'm trying to make, you see. While I believe in such things as objective good and evil and truth, I also remain pretty darn convinced that no human will be able to ever achieve such things. If you can demonstrate that they lie, fine, prosecute them for that particular incident - but to ban a network because someone claims it sells nothing but lies? Because it doesn't sell the truth according to the government?
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Originally Posted by Savayan
So you support the absolute freedom of the press, while simultaneously decrying the effect it has had on the media? Don't you see a bit of a disconnect there?
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Ever hear "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it"? Same basic principle. Just because I hate journalists only slightly less than I hate spree killers and the Westboro Baptists doesn't mean I want to restrict their right to say what they will. I just want to prosecute them for the harm their lies do.
This prosecution might turn out to involve a firing squad, but only 'cause that's what happens to enemy spies during a wartime.
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Originally Posted by Savayan
Also, doesn't freedom of the press means that the press is free from direct government management, not that it can freely print/broadcast whatever the crap it wants?
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How are you not drawing the connection between "Government banned it" and "Government management"?
The power to ban is the power to control. "Tell this version or you can't broadcast" - doesn't that sound familiar?
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Originally Posted by Savayan
I note that most of those you say are as bad or worse than Fox run contrary to your ideological shift. You might want to think about that.
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'Cause Fox is the only one on the right, and the rest seem to be pretty lefty - or at least they did, when I last watched 'em. One of 'em, if I remember what I heard, is moving more centrist. I honestly couldn't care, 'cause I don't watch the news. I prefer to read it, and haven't quite forgiven newspapers for polarizing along with the rest of this country.
Would you like me to post links to atheists demanding an abolishment of religion and to the CPUSA... well, being the communists they are, claiming that's what your end of the political spectrum is up to? I'm a Christian, yes, and stationed in Texas (because Alaska and Kuwait weren't miserable enough) but I'm not a neo-con and often find myself standing more to the center than the GOP (hence why I don't register as a Republican) by virtue of the fact that I don't feel the need to meddle in someone's business.
I'm sure you can understand the irony of critical thinking being the point of this dispute.
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Originally Posted by Phuse
The only reason Fox is being singled out here is because of that article. CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, all of them are just as guilty as the next. As far as suing them for lying, that's a tough nut to crack. You would have to prove that they actually meant to do harm. All the defense would have to do is put there hands up like idiots and be all "We didn't mean it!" Without concrete proof there would be no libel/slander.
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Precisely. If they want to play that game, it's... well, it's still
wrong, but at least it's wrong to everyone. I'd still be protesting it just as vigorously, though, as... well, like I said to Savayan, I don't trust any government, no matter how well-intentioned, to police its journalists.
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Originally Posted by Phuse
On a side note: I wouldn't say you are debating me. I am by no stretch of the imagination a very smart man. There is a reason I went straight to the military from High school. And now I just work and Yes, in college. To be a video game designer/producer. Yay me -.- | study. It's more a one sided argument with me going NO! NO NO NO NO! :-P
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Meh, mine pretty much boil down to YES! YES! YES! YES! Makes me sound like a surly, ill-tempered version of those old shampoo commercials.