Okay, so any of you amazing killing machines produced by the US Government care to back up their claims with some sort of statistic?
Originally Posted by Savayan
I generally qualify Sharpshooter to Expert (unless it's with the machinegun, in which case it's Expert - but you can't exactly take one of those around with you wherever you go!). On a stress shoot, standing from three hundred yards and four hundred yards away from the target my accuracy is about 60-70% - and those misses are hits in 'less than vital' areas, not complete misses. A movie theater is somewhat less than that distance. I am so used to explosions (mostly 'cause I cause 'em) that I don't flinch at them anymore. CS gas has the effect of making me cough - and if you don't inhale it, it has no effect at all. (Aside: If you're ever in that situation, breathe shallowly and through your mouth. It'll hurt less.)
All you've done so far is say, basically, 'well, I'm a pretty good shot. I bet I could take him', never mind that any of you have actually ever shot at anyone before in even ideal circumstances, never mind in a dark, crowded room full of different moving, screaming targets and tear gas and gun fire. Move beyond your epeen enhancing machismo and provide some useful data.
Originally Posted by Savayan
I haven't? How do you know this? You'd be amazed at what some people have had to do, Savayan. Might be that some of us speak from experience, not out our backsides.
If you knew anything about this subject, you'd realize it's really not something that you can really put a whole lot of useful data to - MOUT is an art, not a science. Techniques that work really well for me don't work well for the next guy, and vice versa. It might be that I'm perfectly capable of taking down a target in a crowded environment, but the guy next to me groups like a shotgun blast with just a little bit of stress. This isn't like the political debates about socialism vs capitalism, because the only ones who've made any real study of it are
the military. You can only pick out the most general of trends, which aren't that useful when we start talking about specific individuals and training them.
And I thought that the point of what Phuse and I were saying was that we're not
amazing, nor are we killing machines. Honest, we're really not, and those of you who're saying that are being unnecessarily rude and hostile by putting words into our mouths. I'm really only that impressive when I stand next to guys who haven't done anything of the sort - I know plenty of guys who're way
better warfighters than me, and the SF cats make me look like a blundering idiot child. Heck, most of my post was devoted towards how anybody
could get it done if they're responsibly prepared for firearm ownership and employment. All being shot at makes you good at is being shot at. The only deciding factors are internal to you, not experience and training. Experience and training can only improve what is already there, and it is my experience that every human being has what it takes. They just need the motivation to bring it out. There are no super-soldiers. There is no difference between you and me except for the fact that I already know I can do this, while you think
If you're in a cinema watching a batman movie with your wife and kids, family or friends, the first thing that comes to your mind is to pull out a gun and start shooting? If you were a family man or with family, you would do what you can to usher them out first before you start gunslinging. Maybe the military types out there would have a different reaction, or claim they would, but in reality, nothing prepares you for this kind of situation. A random starts shooting in a crowded theatre when you're just about to start digging into some popcorn, I'm pretty sure my first reaction would be 'Is this a prank?' or 'Are they acting this out?'
Originally Posted by Earthbound
If you're G.I. Joe, forgive my civilian bluntness.
Honestly, my response would probably
run along these lines:
1: That wasn't the movie. (Movie gunshots sound nothing
like the real thing, especially when the real thing is aimed in your general direction. I'll probably ID it as 'big bullet pistol', 'little bullet pistol', 'big bullet rifle', or 'little bullet rifle', too. I'm not that good at telling the differences between different firearms.)
2: Holy Expletive! Oh, Expletive! Expletive!
3: End this expletive and all he loves.
Total time taken, less than it took to read this.
It's worth noting, however, that I do not have a family and that almost all of my friends are similarly trained and proficient. I would therefore not be concerned with ushering them to safety. I also
have this problem wherein I really don't... relax. I'm pretty much always waiting for something to pop off. This has somewhat hindered my social life, as you might imagine.
My opinion, however, is that someone similarly experienced whose family is in the line of danger would respond better than I would. Whether they choose fight or choose flight, they would probably show much better courage and better thinking than I would simply because they have so much at stake.
Which kinda runs counter to what you said about there being one every year here. Frankly, I'm not impressed with one spree per year in a country the size of the United States.