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Argentina's flagship detained in Ghana

   
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Originally Posted by Gygaxphobia View Post
So, the South American Canada then?
They would need to get their economy under control for that. Canada has the strongest banks on the planet.

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Originally Posted by Gygaxphobia View Post
So, the South American Canada then?
That'd be great. If only...

How about destroying the Frigate with explosives? Just like the Graf Spee was bombed to avoid capture by the Brits.

I think it would be a radical way to solve the current crisis. If we can't have her, nobody does.

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Originally Posted by Kuzco View Post
How about destroying the Frigate with explosives? Just like the Graf Spee was bombed to avoid capture by the Brits.

I think it would be a radical way to solve the current crisis. If we can't have her, nobody does.
Terrible idea. Ship is worth loads more than the $20m impound fee, and even sunk it doesn't change the debt position, it's not a debt that is tied to the ship.

True, but the issue isn't the unpaid debt, but the act of seizing a navy school vessel. It's a Gordian Knot solution.

That strikes me as a bit like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

No, blowing up the ship is only a viable option if you agree to meet the board of directors of the company that ordered its seizure aboard the ship for negotiations. Once they're all aboard, *then* blow it sky high.

Seizing navy ships has a way of seeming like a poor idea.

I don't know much about their military capabilities but sending a couple ships off the Ghana coast in international waters to let people know you take the issue seriously seems like a good start. A tersely worded message with a warship patrolling offshore seems like a more effective way of getting a ship back than a message alone.

If that doesn't work a message saying some version of "That ship is ours and we're sending a ship with some marines to secure the vessel and take it back. We'll be arriving on X day at Y time if we don't get it back by then." No way does Ghana start a war over this and shoot at them when they arrive to take the ship back.

I reread my last and noticed I forgot to say these aren't what I suggest doing but rather options that came to my head in the middle ground between war and going through the court system to get it back (or simply paying what you owe).

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Originally Posted by Kuzco View Post
Do you know of similar cases? How where they resolved?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian - We (the USA) recovered a Soviet Sub or at least portions of it (still classified) and haven't returned much more than symbolic stuff like the Ship's Bell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2...Q-170_incident - Iran captured a spy drone of the USA and still has it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident - Chinese fighter had a mid air collision with a USA intelligence aircraft which made emergency landings. They kept it for 3 months and gave it back, probably after copying all the equipment they could and analyzing everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_%28AGER-2%29 - captured by North Korea and they still have it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident - I think Russia still has it but Wiki doesn't specifically say

I'm sure there are more but that's the few that I know off the top of my head.




 

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