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United States Third Presidential Debate

 
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Originally Posted by Merdle View Post
What you saw was the congress of that time being able to work together. It is not the power or responsibility of the president to be a member of congress. It is only with modern presidents that we expect them to outline the plans and votes of congress, and to intervene in congress.
I don't know how old you are but to me 2001, when my example was from, is the modern times... heh. Not that much has changed really since then.

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Originally Posted by Powderhorn View Post
Europe, for reasons I cannot understand, seems to think Americans care what Europeans think about America. When I'm told how much everyone else loves Obama, I always ask, "And how many of these people are voting in US elections?" Nobody asked me my opinion on Hollande, Merkel, or Cameron, I really and truly don't understand why I should care what anybody else's is about American politicians. I say this because the politicians we elect should be fighting for us, and doing what is in the best interest of America and Americans. If they step on some toes along the way and America is still better off for it, fine.
The French elections were very interesting. The Brits, not so much. Did we have threads here about France? That election was intense, and the debates were actually worthwhile compared to memetic American debates.

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Originally Posted by MonkWren View Post
Numerous leading economists (including Nobel prize winners) disagree with you.
And others agree. Economics isn't a field in which there is much consensus.

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Originally Posted by Lord Ben View Post
I don't know how old you are but to me 2001, when my example was from, is the modern times... heh. Not that much has changed really since then.
I was including the bush tax cuts as part of my example.

The fact that they are called the bush tax cuts (by the common man) shows that we have put the blame on Bush instead of on the congress leadership that actually made it happen.

I do not doubt Romney can make money. I have serious doubts he can make an economy. It's more than profit margins.

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Originally Posted by Powderhorn View Post
Europe, for reasons I cannot understand, seems to think Americans care what Europeans think about America. When I'm told how much everyone else loves Obama, I always ask, "And how many of these people are voting in US elections?" Nobody asked me my opinion on Hollande, Merkel, or Cameron, I really and truly don't understand why I should care what anybody else's is about American politicians. I say this because the politicians we elect should be fighting for us, and doing what is in the best interest of America and Americans. If they step on some toes along the way and America is still better off for it, fine.

That being said, America is a much more conservative country than people seem to realize. Yah, we have a few Green Party members on this forum, a couple Socialists too, but I hate to say it: This is the fringe of American politics. When issues like gun control come up, politicians know that gun rights are sacrosanct in America, and to tread lightly. If they want to change anything, they have to somehow try to sneak it in. True, on some social issues, America is starting to match the rest of the world. But even this is a slow transformation, and by no means will lead to an identical state to those nations which are "similar" to the US.

As far as Congress goes: The American people elect Congress. Those they want out will be tossed out every two years, with some lingering for six, those they want in will make it in. As was said earlier: The sudden loss of Congress for Obama in 2010 was a direct referendum on his policies. Obama had the government in the palm of his hand from '08 - '10, and the people didn't like it. I've read on here a few times now that the republican party is on the ropes and will soon disintegrate. I don't see it happening in any of the foreseeable future, (which means after Hillary finishes up her term as a president in 2020) but if it does, I'd expect to see the libertarians take over as the 2nd party.
My slogan for America for a while was, "at least we're not France." Even that doesn't work any longer.

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Originally Posted by MonkWren View Post
Regardless, I don't think Romney's gonna do well in this debate. Obama did pretty well in the last one, and foreign policy is his strong suit this election -
Actually this is probably his biggest weakness. It's been framed in the "Obama's strong suit is foreign policy and Romney is gaffe prone who wants to commit us to endless war" which means if Obama is anything short of genius and Romney is anything approaching a plausible alternative to Obama then to the average voter he comes off better than at the start.

Also, in the last week 4 states flipped from an Obama lead to a Romney one. So I would dispute that he did well but it's not really moot.

I agree with Lord Ben. Romney will probably come out of this with more support as long as he acts like a human being. He has a foreign policy plan, and people will realize that he isn't all that different from Obama in foreign policy, he just hasn't had the best chance to explain it without making a foreign nation hate him at the same time.

It's starting. It's already boring and same-y.





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