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American culture?

So all immigrants should start stuffing feathers in their hair and dancing around totem poles? ~

The test doesn't ask you to give up your culture, or religion, or your sports teams, just foreswear allegiance to any foreign government.
As to hyphenated Americans, I believe the point wasn't that we are all the same but that we can't let our differences pull us apart.

Ok, I'm Canadian. I had to actually take the test.

You answered 86 of 96 questions correctly for a total score of 90%.

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Originally Posted by Bbender View Post
American culture?

So all immigrants should start stuffing feathers in their hair and dancing around totem poles? ~
I'm ok with that, if that's what people want to refer to as American culture. Unfortunately, there seems to be a perception that "American" culture is that of WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants), when, in fact, it is already quite varied and diverse, and has room for people to maintain cultural expression in ways other than what is touted as mainstream.

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Originally Posted by Solaris View Post
Refugee =/= immigrant applying for citizenship.
If you're applying for citizenship, then evidently you want what America has to offer. A part of that is, in fact, our culture. If you come from the Third World (to use an extreme example) and keep doing the same Third World garbage, you can't be surprised when you get the same results. It's patently absurd to apply for citizenship in a country, and then refuse to adopt anything of that country in favor for what you've left behind. If what you've left behind is what you really wanted, then why leave?
Not quite sure what you mean by "adopting something of a country" or "leaving behind", but full citizenship gives you several benefits that you can't get through a green card, or visas. For me the "permanent resident" status kept me from being eligible for many scholarships, research grants, as well as any work that requires some form of security clearance, which is really the primary reason why I applied.

More importantly, I don't think there is such a thing as a unified "american culture" in the first place. That's also one reason why the US is so attractive for immigrants. There is much more social pressure to conform in France and Germany than the US.

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Originally Posted by noobiegameplayer View Post
Yah, wake up and smell the roses ... that was 1915 before the first World War -- things have changed mate

And anywhere you go in the world, ex-pats will tend to congregate.

In pretty much every major city in the world there is a "China Town", a "Little Italy", "Little Poland" etc

Not everyone wants to be a big fat hot dog eating, beer swilling idiot ... some want to retain their identity of where they are from.



You don't think there isn't already sectarian divisions in the US?? So is everyone a Catholic ?? A jew ?? A prodestant ??

Sectarian issues are very rarely Nationalistic and most of the times Idealogic.

I'll give you an example: Say you lived in Chicago for twenty years, then you move to Miami -- do you stop supporting the Cubbies, the Bulls, the Blackhawks ??

Of course you don't ... you take them with you in your heart and head -- and then have banter with your new Miami workmates when you play them in something.

And that's just national ...

So peeps that come from another country won't stop supporting their own country in sport, politics, etc

I've been living in the UK for 12 years, I'm an Aussie -- I would never back any UK team over Australia ... NEVER !!!!

But I do support British teams when they're playing another country.

It's not about loyalty, it's about respect ...

Noobie
I think you're missing a lot of what I'm trying to say, and also what TR was saying.

The idea is that if you're going to join a multicultural society with a rather diverse mix of ethnicities, religions, and national backgrounds you're going to have to give up your previous loyalties, loyalties much more serious than sports preferences.

As you've pointed out, we have a lot of sectarian differences, but the idea is that in the US those sectarian differences are negated in importance by a new overriding national identity, something with which we have had issues in the past with, and in many cities still do; however, you don't see Catholics and Protestants fighting in the streets or planting bombs in trashcans. You also don't see people of Polish decent getting attacked by people of German descent in Wisconsin or Illinois. This is all because those former identities have been subsumed and absorbed into a somewhat ambiguous mass that we call 'American'.

Fortunately this ambiguous mass has plenty of room for things to change and for people to bring new additions.

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Also educational opportunities and so on. Lots of reasons why someone may move to the US. But even when they do, they are still shaped by their past. Should Jews and Muslims start eating pork hotdogs because they are now in the US and that's what people do? Or will they continue following the ways of their past that are compatible with US culture, learn about the US and the cultural elements that are different from the ways they knew from before, and make informed choices?

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Originally Posted by Savayan View Post
So you've changed your place of residence almost sixty times in your life? That's impressive. How do you afford to move more than twice a year?
How is that even remotely what I said?

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Originally Posted by MonkWren View Post
I'm ok with that, if that's what people want to refer to as American culture. Unfortunately, there seems to be a perception that "American" culture is that of WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants), when, in fact, it is already quite varied and diverse, and has room for people to maintain cultural expression in ways other than what is touted as mainstream.
And what makes you think I have that perception? I lived in a neighborhood where the majority of people were off-the-boat Chinese and Latins. That made them no less American than myself, because being American is not about blood nearly so much as it is about belief. I'm not talking about food, music, or even language when I speak of American culture. That's just certain aspects of some American subcultures. I talk about certain beliefs regarding the intrinsic rights of human beings, of self-determination, personal responsibility, and freedom. If you come to this country looking for anything else, if you're applying for American citizenship for any other reason, why?

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Originally Posted by Solaris View Post
How is that even remotely what I said?
I believe that was a miscommunication mistaking your usage of the concept of having 'been to' a region with the concept used in the question to which you were responding of having 'moved to' that region, which would have then require you to have moved a rather impressive number of times. Essentially, it seems Sav had assumed that your post was actually an answer to the question posed, rather than the irrelevant dodging that it truly was.

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Originally Posted by Solaris View Post
And what makes you think I have that perception? I lived in a neighborhood where the majority of people were off-the-boat Chinese and Latins. That made them no less American than myself, because being American is not about blood nearly so much as it is about belief. I'm not talking about food, music, or even language when I speak of American culture. That's just certain aspects of some American subcultures. I talk about certain beliefs regarding the intrinsic rights of human beings, of self-determination, personal responsibility, and freedom. If you come to this country looking for anything else, if you're applying for American citizenship for any other reason, why?
Oh, I get it. You're using a different definition of the term 'culture' than the rest of us. You really should clarify that sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by wikipedia
the intangibles such as language, customs, etc. [...] are the main referent of the term "culture".




 

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