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Thread : Boring Wealth by Level Experiment
Started at Mar 29 '17 1:53am by Cyber_Goddess
Visit at https://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=395200
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[Post 1]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 29 '17 1:53am
Thread Title : Boring Wealth by Level Experiment
This is a weird experiment I'm going to do, to check something in terms of time. The experiment is based on a past character with some minor alterations. I figured if the gather information thread was allowed, this one should be too. Also I'm legit curious how long this will take to reach level 20.
The character this experiment will be played with is this one.
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1021853
He is a level 1 standard character, created with 25 standard point buy 3.5, and no flaws, traits, etc.
He will level up everytime his total wealth matches that of the next level listed in the DMG1 for edition 3.5 (I.e He will level up at 900 gp to level 2, 2700 gp to level 3, etc).
Due to the Master being a class from a sidebook, and not technically compatible with any guilds, the favored in guild feat and guild membership will do nothing, due to it being so DM reliant. This is based on the campaign in which the original PC was run in. He will still pay monthly guild fees though.
For the sake of the timespan, and to keep things simple. A day in real life is one week in this experiment, and 5 days is one month. Based on the time frame in the campaign in which the original character was played. Checks will be allowed at midnight. For the sake of this experiment, we are assuming he is constantly using his power points to not need to eat. (He IS an Elan).
El Presidente's goal is simple, fill his Amazon Bank account as high as possible.
His current total wealth is 125 gp (average of the master's starting gold of 5d4*10 gp).
As with all great rulers, El Presidente starts out working on a humble farm. At midnight tonight, he will make his first profession (Farming) check to make his weekly wages, to begin the road to greatness.
Spreedsheet for more advanced calculations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1beDFwrYcQDQOGoGTb5Y-hD_czgUedCHOsXm0f0g13hQ/edit?usp=sharing
Edit: Putting this FAQ here for future reference. It'll come up around level 20 or so. http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20070731a
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[Post 2]
Author : Black_Valor
Date : Mar 29 '17 2:23am
125gp buys 5 farm hands 25 years.
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[Post 3]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 29 '17 2:47am
125gp buys 5 farm hands 25 years.
Well it's more I'm curious at the rate at which games flow on play by post, if you level up via wealth by level how much time it would take to reach 790,000 gp from level 1, via profession checks and such, and if it's in theory faster than actually playing modules and such.
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[Post 4]
Author : TanaNari
Date : Mar 29 '17 2:56am
Mercantile Background feat. 300 extra starting gold as well as some long term advantages for purchasing money making devices later. It'll also *really* help when you start poking at the Stronghold rules. Which, if you plan to become obscenely wealthy, you will tap.
Or make a repeating trap of (beneficial spell here). A wagon with a device that heals anyone who pushes a button is gonna be a pretty big hit.
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[Post 5]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 29 '17 2:59am
That would rely on DM intervention. This is using the rules of Profession and Business running. Aka rules that have completely pre-set income and expense amounts.
It's also based on how the original character was played.
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[Post 6]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 29 '17 6:17am
Taking 10 on profession (farmer). +3 wis, 4 ranks, +2 tools, +2 primary knack = +11, +10 roll = DC 21 roll.
Due to the loyal clientele knack he gets gp equal to his roll, not half. +21 gp for total of 71 GP cash on hand.
Total wealth: 146.
Estimated time til level up. (900-146)/21 round up = 35.9047619048 rounded up to 36 days to level up.
Leveling up using this build and leveling up when you reach wealth by level amounts takes approximately 37 days to reach level 2 from level 1. That number might be a bit low due to needing to pay 5 gp in guild fees every month.
Edit: Okay I think I have the actual time period.
Starting at 125 gp I require 775 gp to level up. I get 21 gp every period, and subtract 5 gp every 5 periods. That means I make 100 gp every 5 periods (21*5)-5 - 100. So it would take around 40 periods to level up.
So in around 40 real-life days or simulation weeks or so I should have reached level 2. One day down, 39 to go.
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[Post 7]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 31 '17 12:21am
And I forgot to update this at midnight on the 29th. How silly of me.
Anyway, another 21 gp added from another take 10. We're doing this legit baby.
~Month 1, Week 2~
92 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 167 gp.
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[Post 8]
Author : pyrrhicPachyderm
Date : Mar 31 '17 1:09am
Seeing as this is going to be running for a long time, aren't you better off rolling for an average of 10.5 than taking 10 every time?
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[Post 9]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 31 '17 6:03am
Seeing as this is going to be running for a long time, aren't you better off rolling for an average of 10.5 than taking 10 every time?
In theory, but you need consistency in an experiment. The Profession checks will start to be forgotten around.
*calculates*
250 gp for tools of legend (farming)....1625 gp for the farm....sell the masterwork tools I've got for 25 gp.....so 1850 gp plus my guild membership, minus whatever I blow on guild fees in the meantime.
That is if I've done the numbers right. Once the farm is up, it's 125 gp to upgrade every 15 days....and at that point I think my profession checks will be rolling 32 gp a day thanks to my ultimate tools that the master class makes available.
Not even sure if I actually need the tools. I think I need DC 33-1d4 for the farm. Meanwhile I'll be level 2, and I get....I think I get +4 from generic business bonuses. +1 favored in guild, +2 hours, +1 secondary skills.
Meanwhile my ranks will be 5, my wisdom 3, my knack 2, my tools 2, my dice roll 10, so DC22 +4 = 26 against 33-1d4. Might have to wait til level 3 for the investment so I can have business savvy and another rank. That would make it 26 + 4 = 30 against 33-1d4. Not the most stable business, and has a 50/50 gamble to be in the negatives at first, but still I've survived that, I've done the math.
Hmph. Looks like I either need to take a level in cleric, wait til level 3, or buy the cheesy tools. Either one works. If I take the cleric level I'll just end up taking merchant prince one level later. The original character was gestalt anyway, but I wanted this as generic as possible in terms of rules. I'll probably wait til I break 2700 gp, so as to not be cheap with the tools or cheesy cleric of commerce route. This is a test of time, not a test of min-maxing. The only reason he's an Elan is to avoid any food purchases or such. Not that anyone bothers to track those in real games anyway.
I make 100 gp every 5 days. I need 2700 gp to be level 3 from level 1, so that'll be 27*5 = 135 days.
Still probably faster than leveling up a character from level 1 to 3, playing PROPER play by post.
Edit: Speaking of which, we passed midnight.
~Month 1, Week 3~
113 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 188 gp.
So I'll level up to level 3 in around 25 5 days and 1 day. Which is around 126 days from now. Which according to google is August 3rd 2017. I seriously have half a mind to jump ahead and start using date calculators to calculate at what date I'd reach level 20, but quite frankly I'd rather do this legit so I can compare it to the various D&D games I join and run in the meantime.
For reference's sake the Amazon Prince game I'm running opened it's application April 3rd 2016, which means as of this post they have gained a total of one level over 362 days. Either I'm the worse DM in terms of giving out experience points, or my pacing is horrible.
Either that or if you have a DM who will level you by wealth by level in a 3.5 game and is using the rate that the Realm Folded Tavern game was using you would be faster to level up by avoiding quests and combat and instead playing the tabletop version of Adventure Capitalist.
Quite frankly the fact that anyone has responded to this thread at all astounds me.
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[Post 10]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 2 '17 12:47am
~Month 1, Week 4: April 1st 2017~
134 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 209 gp.
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[Post 11]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 3 '17 3:18pm
~Month 1, Week 5: April 2nd 2017~
Earned 21 gp, paid 5 gp to guild
150 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 225 gp.
~Month 2, Week 1: April 3rd 2017~
Earned 21 gp
171 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 246 gp.
~Month 2, Week 2: April 4th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
192 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 267 gp.
~Month 2, Week 3: April 5th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
213 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 288 gp.
~Month 2, Week 4: April 6th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
234 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 309 gp.
~Month 2, Week 5: April 7th 2017~
Earned 21 gp, Paid 5 to the guild.
250 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 325 gp.
~Month 3, Week 1: April 8th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
271 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 346 gp.
~Month 3, Week 2: April 9th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
292 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 367 gp.
~Month 3, Week 3: April 10th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
313 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 388 gp.
~Month 3, Week 4: April 11th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
334 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 409 gp.
~Month 3, Week 5: April 12th 2017~
Earned 21 gp, Paid 5 to guild
350 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 425 gp.
~Month 4, Week 1: April 13th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
371 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 446 gp.
~Month 4, Week 2: April 14th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
392 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 467 gp.
~Month 4, Week 3: April 15th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
413 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 488 gp.
~Month 4, Week 4: April 16th 2017~
Earned 21 gp
434 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 509 gp.
~Month 4, Week 5: April 17th 2017~
Earned 21 gp. Paid 5 to guild.
450 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 525 gp.
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[Post 12]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 18 '17 12:38pm
~Month 5, Week 1: April 18th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
471 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 546 gp.
So we're about 15 days away from our first level. Just out of curiosity, ever since I started this crazy thing, how far has everyone gotten in terms of their characters leveling up? How much experience have you gained since March 28th, 2017?
~Month 5, Week 2: April 19th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
492 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 567 gp.
~Month 5, Week 3: April 20th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
513 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 588 gp.
~Month 5, Week 4: April 21th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
534 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 609 gp.
~Month 5, Week 5: April 22th 2017~
Earned 21 gp. Paid 5 gp for guild fees.
550 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 625 gp.
~Month 6, Week 1: April 23th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
571 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 646 gp.
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[Post 13]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 24 '17 5:13am
Doing some pre-planning for level 3 in this post.
~Farm Preplanning~
Base: -25
Wild: -10
Total Negatives: -35
Low Resource: +1
Low Risk: +1
Business savvy: +3
Master knack: +2
Masterwork tools: +2
Wisdom: +3
Secondary: +1
Hours: +2
Take 10: +10
Ranks: +6
Let's see...that's.. 1 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 10 + 6 = 31 + 1d4 upgrade.
Risky but doable. Even with negatives on profit checks. I'll have enough money at level 3 to cover the negatives, until I negate them via upgrades and get a high enough role to set me back to square one. Then the fun begins.
Meanwhile my Shopkeeper has this...
Base: -25
Wild: -10
High Risk: -4
Total Negatives: -39
Low Resource: +1
Business savvy: +3
Master knack: +2
Masterwork tools: +2
Wisdom: +3
Secondary: +1
Hours: +2
Take 10: +10
Ranks: +6
Which at level 3 would be 30 + 1d4...not worth the risk. I'd have to wait til later. I could hire specialists, but I'd like to do this alone. I think level 6 will give me enough bonuses for shops alone...I'll have to wait til the farm pays off, but it certainly will be worth it. With 9 ranks for 33 and merchant prince for +2. Heh. Wait until level 7 and I'd get another +1 rank and +1 synergy. For 37 + 1d4, without any special rules or maneuvers. It's going to take a while, but at the rate all my other games are running I question if a game run in a module would actually be any better. This might be slow but it's consistent.
How many times have you played Kingmaker only to have it die? How many games have just...blanked out during combat?
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[Post 14]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 5 '17 6:52pm
~Month 6, Week 2: April 24th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
592 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 667 gp.
~Month 6, Week 3: April 25th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
613 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 688 gp.
~Month 6, Week 4: April 26th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
634 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 709 gp.
~Month 6, Week 5: April 27th 2017~
Earned 21 gp. Paid 5 to guild
650 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 725 gp.
~Month 7, Week 1: April 28th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
671 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 746 gp.
~Month 7, Week 2: April 29th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
692 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 767 gp.
~Month 7, Week 3: April 30th 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
713 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 788 gp.
~Month 7, Week 4: May 1st 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
734 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 809 gp.
~Month 7, Week 5: May 2st 2017~
Earned 21 gp. Paid 5 to guild.
750 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 825 gp.
~Month 8, Week 1: May 3st 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
771 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 846 gp.
~Month 8, Week 2: May 4st 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
792 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 867 gp.
~Month 8, Week 3: May 5st 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
813 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 888 gp.
Hey cool, at midnight tonight, I get my first level up.
Just checking again. How many people from March 28th to May 6th have leveled up in their campaigns that aren't just Arena games or such. I.e Actual stories/modules, and so on.
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[Post 15]
Author : natural19
Date : May 5 '17 8:39pm
I leveled up in a dnd 5E game in that time. The dm does levels by chapter rather than xp. We've gone up 3 levels since I joined. But several people have ghosted. Down to me as the longest tenured player despite not being in the original cast. Still have 3 total players though.
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[Post 16]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 5 '17 8:41pm
I leveled up in a dnd 5E game in that time. The dm does levels by chapter rather than xp. We've gone up 3 levels since I joined. But several people have ghosted. Down to me as the longest tenured player despite not being in the original cast. Still have 3 total players though.
Thank you for the information. All data points are useful. ^_^
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[Post 17]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 7 '17 1:12pm
~Month 8, Week 4: May 6st 2017~
Earned 21 gp.
834 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 909 gp.
Let me check the wealth by level table to make sure I'm doing this right. Yup 2nd level, 900 gp, page 135 in the DMG. Level up!
~Month 8, Week 5: May 7th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp to guild.
846 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 921 gp.
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[Post 18]
Author : TheFred
Date : May 7 '17 3:30pm
So we're about 15 days away from our first level. Just out of curiosity, ever since I started this crazy thing, how far has everyone gotten in terms of their characters leveling up? How much experience have you gained since March 28th, 2017?I'm running my own experiment where I just give myself a level every two days. So... I guess I'm winning? ;)
Not meaning to nay-say or anything, but what is your experiment actually trying to discover? If it's how long it will take to reach L20 under these rules, you can just calculate that - you don't need to post something every day or whatever. I'm also not sure what it tells you - you've made up the rules, and they're quite different to a "real" game, so what of relevance is the result?
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[Post 19]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 7 '17 3:46pm
I'm running my own experiment where I just give myself a level every two days. So... I guess I'm winning? ;)
Not meaning to nay-say or anything, but what is your experiment actually trying to discover? If it's how long it will take to reach L20 under these rules, you can just calculate that - you don't need to post something every day or whatever. I'm also not sure what it tells you - you've made up the rules, and they're quite different to a "real" game, so what of relevance is the result?
Actually the rules are based on an actual campaign I was part of - the "Realm Folded Tavern".
Also I'm bored and mercantile games are rare.
Also I used the most basic character creation rules possible. Can I just point out that the Realm Folded Tavern you were allowed to start at level 3, with flaws, and it was gestalt? This is a 25 point buy (3.5 point buy not pathfinder), level 1, non-gestalt, no flaws character. Aka the most basic build one can create.
Also it's meant to be compared to the level progression of an actual campaign, you know, one with stories and plot. To see if in terms of leveling, if running a module, even if one ignores the whole "Games regularly die constantly" thing, is actually slower in terms of leveling in real-time, compared to just making a character and rolling profession checks at the rate the Tavern allowed it while leveling AD&D style.
Also it was meant to compare to my own writing rate, because quite frankly, if the local farmer is leveling up faster than you in real time....your game is probably moving too slow.
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[Post 20]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : May 12 '17 11:39am
Thank you for doing this, Cyber_Goddess. :)
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[Post 21]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 12 '17 12:29pm
Thank you for doing this, Cyber_Goddess. :)
Uh why? I've pretty much gotten nothing but snark and insulting from this so far.
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[Post 22]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : May 12 '17 12:49pm
I know, that's exactly why I wanted to let you (and them) know that there are some who like to see this being done.
Even though this could be done in a few calculations in a single afternoon, the long term commitment to something so simple is pretty cool to me.
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[Post 23]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 12 '17 12:54pm
The thing is that the calculations can't be done in a single afternoon because various aspects of it, like the upgrades are random. A bad upgrade can ruin many businesses starting out in the wild. You can't just go "oh I'll assume that all the upgrades are 2.5" because a bad upgrade roll early on can ruin your purchase. Not to mention that I think businesses might be major magikarp power. Oh sure they're slow early, but I'm starting at level 1 going all the way to level 20, I think once I get my shop up and running, things might go wild.
But hey, I run games so long as I have a single player, so as long as you'll enjoy it. I'll keep going.
~Month 9, Week 1: May 8th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
868 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 943 gp.
~Month 9, Week 2: May 9th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
890 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 965 gp.
~Month 9, Week 3: May 10th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
912 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 987 gp.
~Month 9, Week 4: May 11th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
934 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1009 gp.
~Month 9, Week 5: May 12th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp to guild
946 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1021 gp.
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[Post 24]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 17 '17 12:25am
~Month 10, Week 1: May 13th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
968 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1043 gp.
~Month 10, Week 2: May 14th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
990 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1065 gp.
~Month 10, Week 3: May 15th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1012 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1087 gp.
~Month 10, Week 4: May 16th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1034 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1109 gp.
~Month 10, Week 5: May 17th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp to guild
1046 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1121 gp.
~Month 11, Week 1: May 18th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1068 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1143 gp.
~Month 11, Week 2: May 19th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1090 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1165 gp.
~Month 11, Week 3: May 20th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1112 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1187 gp.
~Month 11, Week 4: May 21th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1134 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1209 gp.
~Month 11, Week 5: May 22th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
1146 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1221 gp.
~Month 12, Week 1: May 23th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1168 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1243 gp.
~Month 12, Week 2: May 24th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1190 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1265 gp.
~Month 12, Week 3: May 25th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1212 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1287 gp.
~Month 12, Week 4: May 26th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1234 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1309 gp
~Month 12, Week 4: May 26th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1234 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1309 gp
~Month 12, Week 5: May 27th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp to guild.
1246 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1321 gp
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[Post 25]
Author : Lycar
Date : Jun 4 '17 9:32am
Two weeks without an update. Got bored already?
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[Post 26]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 4 '17 12:04pm
Two weeks without an update. Got bored already?
No it's just there's no activity, so I just updated it when I feel like it. I was going to compare it to other campaigns, but with no data points to work on...not really any point.
Also the last update was on the 27th if you bothered to check the post.
~Year 2~
~Month 13, Week 1: May 28th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1268 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1343 gp
~Month 13, Week 2: May 29th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1290 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1365 gp
~Month 13, Week 3: May 30th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1312 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1387 gp
~Month 13, Week 4: May 31th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1334 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1409 gp
~Month 13, Week 5: June 1st 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
1346 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1421 gp
~Month 14, Week 1: June 2st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1368 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1443 gp
~Month 14, Week 2: June 3st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1390 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1465 gp
~Month 14, Week 3: June 4st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1412 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1487 gp
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[Post 27]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Jun 4 '17 4:05pm
I really do like this experiment, it's interesting to say the least. That aside, what my systems do you play/are interested in playing?
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[Post 28]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 4 '17 6:33pm
I like that you're doing this, but I do have a question. I think I overlooked something, but in your calculation post you started your calculations at level 1 with 4 ranks in the skill. How did you achieve 4 ranks at level 1?
Taking 10 on profession (farmer). +3 wis, 4 ranks, +2 tools, +2 primary knack = +11, +10 roll = DC 21 roll.
Due to the loyal clientele knack he gets gp equal to his roll, not half. +21 gp for total of 71 GP cash on hand.
Total wealth: 146.
Estimated time til level up. (900-146)/21 round up = 35.9047619048 rounded up to 36 days to level up.
Leveling up using this build and leveling up when you reach wealth by level amounts takes approximately 37 days to reach level 2 from level 1. That number might be a bit low due to needing to pay 5 gp in guild fees every month.
Edit: Okay I think I have the actual time period.
Starting at 125 gp I require 775 gp to level up. I get 21 gp every period, and subtract 5 gp every 5 periods. That means I make 100 gp every 5 periods (21*5)-5 - 100. So it would take around 40 periods to level up.
So in around 40 real-life days or simulation weeks or so I should have reached level 2. One day down, 39 to go.
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[Post 29]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 4 '17 6:34pm
Maybe because it's a class skill and you are adding in the +3? Just curious.
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[Post 30]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 5 '17 3:39pm
Or because this is the D&D 3.5 system not pathfinder? I might do a pathfinder version with the alternate profession rules once I'm done with this.
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[Post 31]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 8 '17 3:53pm
Ah!!! That makes perfect sense. Sorry, been playing pathfinder so much lately that I forgot there are other systems out there. :D
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[Post 32]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Jun 10 '17 10:54pm
Is this dead now? I really wanted to see how it went.
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[Post 33]
Author : Lycar
Date : Jun 11 '17 12:14pm
Also the last update was on the 27th if you bothered to check the post.
Naa, all I know is that only new posts show up and none happened for over two weeks.
Tip for everyone: Edits to your posts don't register as new posts. I've had GMs append stuff to existing and apparently unfinished posts, and then wondering why nobody reacted to the edits. I recommend a short notice in the OOC thread in such a case.
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[Post 34]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 11 '17 3:18pm
~Month 14, Week 4: June 5st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1434 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1509 gp
~Month 14, Week 5: June 6st 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp
1446 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1521 gp
~Month 15, Week 1: June 7st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1468 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1543 gp
~Month 15, Week 2: June 8st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1490 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1565 gp
~Month 15, Week 3: June 9st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1512 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1587 gp
~Month 15, Week 4: June 10st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1534 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1609 gp
~Month 15, Week 5: June 11st 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
1546 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1621 gp
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[Post 35]
Author : TanaNari
Date : Jun 11 '17 3:51pm
A thought occurs:
In order to make this accurate, you have to include food costs.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/goodsAndServices.htm#foodDrinkAndLodging
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/environment.htm#starvationAndThirst
If we're being generous, that's at least two common meals per day (6sp- or 4.2 gold per week) just to main survivable levels of calories.
That'd... really drag this timeline out a while... also, there's the whole 'taxes' thing, but to my knowledge there are no actual rules for that.
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[Post 36]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 11 '17 9:18pm
PC is an Elan, already considered that. Also how many of your adventurer PCs bother to keep track of stuff like that? This is meant to compare leveling via the Realm Folded Tavern's rate of income, while leveling via WBL, compared to the rate of leveling normally...while playing play by post.
It's meant to compare it to playing through a module or adventure path on play by post, and comparing it to how long it takes in real time. I.e Would me leveling up via simply playing business owner in realm folded tavern and leveling via wealth by level, actually be faster than leveling via actually playing a module and dealing with combat, roleplaying and all that. (seriously the number of games I've had die, the instant combat showed up).
It's about rate of level up in real time, more than anything.
And no, claiming that you can "play a game where you auto-level every real life day" means nothing. Because this system is actually based on a game that I was actually playing in. It's the equivalent of using a game shark and claiming you completed your pokedex. It's meant to question how much time combat, and adventuring actually takes in terms of playing the game legit, and whether it actually is that fast in terms of leveling. Especially when games die and so on.
It's also an experiment for info in my own DMing, with me wondering if I'm giving levels out often enough. Since I don't tend to use the XP system.
I mean the person just doing profession leveled up month 8, week 4. So 39 days real time. So logically I think, if I start a campaign at level 1, I should at least have the PCs at level 2 after 39 days of play-by-post playing. Otherwise simply making a character and rolling profession 1/day would level up faster.
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[Post 37]
Author : TanaNari
Date : Jun 12 '17 12:57am
PC is an Elan, already considered that. Ah, fair enough.
Also how many of your adventurer PCs bother to keep track of stuff like that? Mine? All of them. At least until the ring of sustenance is purchased. Best. Item. Ever.
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[Post 38]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 12 '17 5:10am
Ah, fair enough.
Mine? All of them. At least until the ring of sustenance is purchased. Best. Item. Ever.
Also the only reason he's an Elan outside of the "El Presidente Immortal Ruler" joke, is in order to cut down on bookkeeping. Because if he was human, this build would be a lot more optimized. Skill focus for one.
Also this is a level 1, non-gestalt, 25 point buy (that's 3.5 point buy, not pathfinder point buy), build. Which is pretty much the most basic stat-line you can make. Find me a 3.5 game that doesn't have either 28 point buy, start at level 3 or higher, or gestalt, and that's ignoring the fact that this guy has ZERO flaws or variant rules out of unearthed arcana. The only way you could make this build more restrictive, is to make it core only, and quite frankly if you're not allowed to use the Master or the Merchant Princess, there's no point in running businesses. It would be like comparing the power level of magic and mundane, while banning all spellcasting classes except the truenamer, then claiming that magic sucks.
Outside of someone running a commoner game, or a darkest dungeon style "horror" game where PCs are suppose to die often and have low-power 20 or lower point buy while also starting at level 1, this is about the weakest stat-line you'll ever find in terms of a 3.5 game. These stats were chosen so I could basically look at almost any 3.5 game, and argue that this build would run faster in terms of real-time via using those creation rules instead.
Let's put it this way, the 4 games currently running ads for 3.5 games as of this post have the following starting characters builds.
1. Point buy 30, and starting at level 4.
2. Point buy 40, tristalt starting at level 8.
3. Gestalt level 10. Roll 6m4d6r1v1 3 times for ability scores.
4. Point buy 25, level 1. (Also run by a young adult dragon, so I'm curious how long the game will actually last. Remember that one of the questions I'm bringing up is how fast you're actually leveling if games just keep dying).
Just saying, if this was a trislalt, level 8, 40 point buy build, I would already be level 20. Maybe not that far, but I would at least have a shop with a LOT of upgrades. Probably pulling in 3000 gp or so a month. But that still raises the question. After 40 days or so pass, in their game, will they be at level 9? Although I'll have to wait til this build is level 8 leveling to level 9 to see how long I take for an actual comparison.
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[Post 39]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Jun 21 '17 3:52pm
So was back reading to make sure I hadn't missed anything but is the experiment over or does it continue?
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[Post 40]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 21 '17 6:45pm
So was back reading to make sure I hadn't missed anything but is the experiment over or does it continue?
I'll update it when I get home. I pretty much just update it whenever I feel like it. I would update it more regularly but without any real data to compare it to....its pretty much impossible to get any kind of comparison rate or data outside of 'it takes this long to level up making money and not killing things."
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[Post 41]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 22 '17 12:32am
~Month 15, Week 5: June 11st 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
1546 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1621 gp
~Month 16, Week 1: June 12st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1568 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1643 gp
~Month 16, Week 2: June 13st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1590 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1665 gp
~Month 16, Week 3: June 14st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1612 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1687 gp
~Month 16, Week 4: June 15st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1634 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1709 gp
~Month 16, Week 5: June 15st 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
1646 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1721 gp
Okay I need to pause now, and do some math, because I have 1625 gp. I'll be right back, once I check the sheet.
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[Post 42]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 22 '17 12:46am
And back. We don't have enough bonuses to bump up a DC 35 check. We're going to have to wait til level 3. But once that happens, things should get.....interesting.
~Month 17, Week 1: June 16st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1668 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1743 gp
~Month 17, Week 2: June 17st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1690 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1765 gp
~Month 17, Week 3: June 18st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1712 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1787 gp
~Month 17, Week 4: June 19st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1734 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1809 gp
~Month 17, Week 5: June 20th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp
1746 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1821 gp.
~Month 18, Week 1: June 21th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1768 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1843 gp.
Let's see, I'm still making 100 gp every 5 days. It took 40 days to reach level 2, and 1800 gp to reach level 3 from level 2. Which is 18 cycles, or 90 days in theory. 130 days for 2 levels. I'm not sure how my D&D games compare to that in terms of real time.
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[Post 43]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 22 '17 2:24am
I think that you are correct. Game time will proceed quicker at low levels, but once you get rolling with the skill checks, I think you'll proceed quicker... especially when you take into account the fact that a lot of games don't make it past level 5.
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[Post 44]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 22 '17 6:38am
I think that you are correct. Game time will proceed quicker at low levels, but once you get rolling with the skill checks, I think you'll proceed quicker... especially when you take into account the fact that a lot of games don't make it past level 5.
Yeah, once I get that first farm at level 3, and then get a shop later on, I seriously question how fast it'll snowball.
At this point I think I've got most of the data I need. I might as well just continue this though for fun. I mean it's just "copy and paste a bunch of stuff every week or so when I remember to".
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[Post 45]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 22 '17 6:14pm
Or when we pester you to do it. :D
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[Post 46]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 22 '17 11:03pm
Or when we pester you to do it. :D
Quiet you. :P
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[Post 47]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 23 '17 2:49pm
:pirate: Never!!! Ha ha!
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[Post 48]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Jul 6 '17 12:45am
Pester pester. It's been a while.
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[Post 49]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 6 '17 3:29am
~Month 18, Week 1: June 21th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1768 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1843 gp.
~Month 18, Week 2: June 22th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1790 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1865 gp.
~Month 18, Week 3: June 23th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1812 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1887 gp.
~Month 18, Week 4: June 24th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1834 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1909 gp.
~Month 18, Week 5: June 25th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10.
1846 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1921 gp.
~Month 19, Week 1: June 26th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1868 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1943 gp.
~Month 19, Week 2: June 27th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1890 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1965 gp.
~Month 19, Week 3: June 28th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1912 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 1987 gp.
~Month 19, Week 4: June 29th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1934 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2009 gp.
~Month 19, Week 5: June 30th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10.
1946 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2021 gp.
~Month 20, Week 1: July 1st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1968 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2043 gp.
~Month 20, Week 2: July 2th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
1990 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2065 gp.
~Month 20, Week 3: July 3th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2012 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2087 gp.
~Month 20, Week 4: July 4th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2034 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2109 gp.
~Month 20, Week 5: July 5th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
2046 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2121 gp.
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[Post 50]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Jul 8 '17 1:40pm
How much gold will you need to get to level 3?
(Also, it looks as though your sheet is still on level 1.)
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[Post 51]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jul 8 '17 5:37pm
He should be level 2. 900gp is level 2. 2700gp is level 3.
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[Post 52]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 8 '17 6:43pm
2700 gp for level 3. I updated the skills and class abilities, but didn't update the level, BAB, or Saves apparently, because the sheet did have 5 ranks and the negotiator feat from master.
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[Post 53]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 14 '17 3:32pm
I know I'm jumping the gun a little, bit but I'm going to update this post up to the 15th just to keep it flowing nicely and ending at week 5 every post. Plus I'm probably going to forget about this post tomorrow anyway. I'll label the dates properly though.
~Month 20, Week 5: July 5th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
2046 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2121 gp.
~Month 21, Week 1: July 6th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2068 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2143 gp.
~Month 21, Week 2: July 7th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2090 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2165 gp.
~Month 21, Week 3: July 8th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2112 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2187 gp.
~Month 21, Week 4: July 9th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2134 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2209 gp.
~Month 21, Week 5: July 10th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
2146 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2221 gp.
~Month 22, Week 1: July 11th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2168 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2243 gp.
~Month 22, Week 2: July 12th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2190 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2265 gp.
~Month 22, Week 3: July 13th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2212 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2287 gp.
~Month 22, Week 4: July 14th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2234 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2309 gp.
~Month 22, Week 5: July 15th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
2246 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2321 gp.
See you in another 2 weeks or so. We're progressing at around 100 gp every 5 days, so in around 20 days we should hit level 3, then at the end of the month week 5 I'll buy my farm and we can watch the chaos ensue.
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[Post 54]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 26 '17 11:47pm
~Month 23, Week 1: July 16th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2268 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2343 gp.
~Month 23, Week 2: July 17th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2290 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2365 gp.
~Month 23, Week 3: July 18th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2312 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2387 gp.
~Month 23, Week 4: July 19th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2334 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2409 gp.
~Month 23, Week 5: July 20th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
2346 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2421 gp.
~Month 24, Week 1: July 21th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2368 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2443 gp.
~Month 24, Week 2: July 22th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2390 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2465 gp.
~Month 24, Week 3: July 23th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2412 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2487 gp.
~Month 24, Week 4: July 24th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2434 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2509 gp.
~Month 24, Week 5: July 25th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp.
2446 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2521 gp.
End of Year 2. We have made quite a bit of progress and are only 2 months away from our first business.
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[Post 55]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jul 27 '17 2:20am
Only 10 more weeks until you are level 3... though I do have a question. You seem to be doing 5 weeks in every month. Only every 3rd month has a 5th week. Did you do that by design?
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[Post 56]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 28 '17 1:12am
Only 10 more weeks until you are level 3... though I do have a question. You seem to be doing 5 weeks in every month. Only every 3rd month has a 5th week. Did you do that by design?
I believe I explained that in the original post the original game this was based on ran at a 6 to 1 ratio. So a day was 4 hours a week 28 and so on. I simplified the system to just week = 24 hours because I wasn't willing to rip my hair out a second time. And because roll once a day was something that seemed like something a DM might actually do. I mean people often have 1/day posting requirements. The 5 weeks a month is just for keeping the math easier as well. Think of it as a world with 12 months 5 weeks long with 6 days a week or something.
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[Post 57]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jul 28 '17 2:01am
You did. :( I need to relearn reading comprehension...
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[Post 58]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 28 '17 2:40am
You did. :( I need to relearn reading comprehension...
Don't worry. It's fine. I just couldn't recall if I had or not, this test has been running for almost 130 days.
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[Post 59]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jul 28 '17 1:41pm
Longer than every game I've played on the Weave, except 1. :D
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[Post 60]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jul 28 '17 1:53pm
Longer than every game I've played on the Weave, except 1. :D
Which is ultimately the challenge of this test. The question if games on the Weave actually are too slow, or die too often so to speak.
130 days, and via running a level 1, point buy 25 character rolling profession every day, and I've gained 2 levels. Meanwhile in the same time I've had 3 games die, (Solo Sandbox, Cyberfantasy and Tomorrow the World), and I don't think I've had a single game that's running the pathfinder system actually level due to people posting so insanely slow that we ultimately get nowhere. I REGULARLY have to private message one of my players in a solo game on Discord to get him to post in his solo game every 3 to 5 days.
In all seriousness, I might just be a horrible DM or something, but I seriously question the standards for games not dying and so on, especially when one considers that for me to archive a game, it needs to go a full 2 weeks with me as the last post. If there is a SINGLE active player, I will keep it running, and I STILL regularly lose games, often with no warning. So either I'm an extremely horrible DM that people will still apply to just out of sheer necessity because no one else is running stuff, or in all seriousness, if all you want is loot and levels. Do the following post at the rate of 'one post a day', the standard many DMs have.
"I roll profession."
And you'll get your loot and levels FASTER than if you actually play an actual PbP game!
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[Post 61]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jul 28 '17 4:50pm
That could be the next game you plan up.
1 post/week. You roll profession to become a shop owner/leader of industry. :D
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[Post 62]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Jul 28 '17 11:00pm
Can we play various NPCs give you quests to go on (that your hero will entirely ignore)? :D
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[Post 63]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jul 30 '17 6:39am
Hello champion, we are in need of someone to go out and destroy this nest of kobolds.
"yeah? and? good luck. I just run me shop."
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[Post 64]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Aug 6 '17 11:39pm
"Traveller! My husband was meant to be back hours ago and now the sun is nearly setting! He knows not to be out in the woods so late; I fear that something awful has happened to him..."
"Please Traveller, bring him back to me. I beg of you."
"Please Traveller, bring him back to me. I beg of you."
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[Post 65]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 7 '17 1:46am
~Month 25, Week 1: July 26th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2468 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2543 gp.
~Month 25, Week 2: July 27th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2490 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2565 gp.
~Month 25, Week 3: July 28th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2512 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2587 gp.
~Month 25, Week 4: July 29th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2534 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2609 gp.
~Month 25, Week 5: July 30th 2017~
Earned 22 gp. Paid 10 gp to guild.
2546 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2621 gp.
~Month 26, Week 1: July 31th 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2568 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2643 gp.
~Month 26, Week 2: August 1st 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2590 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2665 gp.
~Month 26, Week 3: August 2nd 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2612 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2687 gp.
~Month 26, Week 4: August 3rd 2017~
Earned 22 gp.
2634 gp on hand.
50 gp in masterwork tools.
25 gp in Guild membership.
Total wealth: 2709 gp.
Level up! Gain Business Savvy feat, and +1 rank. Now this is where things get....interesting next week.
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[Post 66]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 7 '17 1:51am
Month 26, Week 5: August 4th 2017.
Earned 23 gp, Paid 15 gp to guild.
2642 gp on hand.
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
Total Wealth 2717.
Now we're going to spend 1625 gp on a farm. 1000 gp for a small house, 500 gp on capital, and a quarter of the starting capital 125 gp on an upgrade.
We're opening it in the wild.
Our business has the following negative modifiers. -25 (Base), -10 (Wild),
and the following positive modifiers +1 (low resource) +1 (low risk) for a DC of 33.
We have 6 ranks, +1 from secondary skills, +2 from spending more than 40 hours a week, +3 from business savvy +3 wisdom, +2 masterwork tools, +2 Master competence bonus, and +1 from favored in guild (power of faerun).
6 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 3 +2 + 2 + 1 = 20
Now we'll roll our upgrade.
1d4z
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[Post 67]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 7 '17 1:54am
Grr a 1, we only have +21 against a DC 33 check, but we can salvage this. Here's what we're going to do.
A business takes a cumulative -1 for every failed profit check, but if we make a profit in any month we reset the counter.
So instead of taking 10, we're going to roll the dice and attempt to get high rolls, meanwhile every 3 months we'll buy another upgrade, unless the dice are very unlucky we'll roll high eventually a reset the counter stabilizing the farm.
Month 26, Week 5: August 4th 2017.
2642 gp on hand.
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
Total Wealth 2717.
Bought farm for 1625 gp.
1017 gp on hand.
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2717.
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[Post 68]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 13 '17 12:59am
Month 26, Week 5: August 4th 2017.
2642 gp on hand.
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
Total Wealth 2717.
Bought farm for 1625 gp.
1017 gp on hand.
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2717.
Month 27, Week 1: August 5th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1040 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2740.
Month 27, Week 2: August 6th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1063 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2763.
Month 27, Week 3: August 7th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1086 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2786.
Month 27, Week 4: August 8th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1109 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2809.
Month 27, Week 5: August 9th 2017.
Made 23 GP. Paid 15 gp to guild.
1117 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2817.
And Roll against DC 33 for Farm profit at end of the month.
1d20+21z
37, Farm made 20 GP in profit this month. (Roll of 37, minus DC of 33, times risk factor of low so times 5 gp per point above or below)
1137 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2837.
For those of you not keeping track with your own DMG, level 4 is at 5400 gp.
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[Post 69]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 15 '17 10:25am
Month 27, Week 5: August 9th 2017
1137 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2837.
Month 28, Week 1: August 10th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1160 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2860.
Month 28, Week 2: August 11th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1183 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2883.
Month 28, Week 3: August 12th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1206 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2906.
Month 28, Week 4: August 13th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1229 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2929.
Month 28, Week 5: August 14th 2017.
Made 23 GP. Paid 15 gp to guild.
1237 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2937.
And roll farm check.
1d20+21z versus DC 33
28, we lose 25 gp, and the next profit check takes a -1.
Month 28, Week 5: August 14th 2017.
1212 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2912.
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[Post 70]
Author : Ranger Danger
Date : Aug 15 '17 3:11pm
Is your farm hiring?
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[Post 71]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 15 '17 3:24pm
Is your farm hiring?
Nope. Low resource businesses have zero employees.
Note: That's not a joke, they really have zero employees in the DMG2.
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[Post 72]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 19 '17 9:43am
Month 28, Week 5: August 14th 2017.
1212 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2912.
Month 29, Week 1: August 15th 2017.
Made 23 GP
1235 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2935
Month 29, Week 2: August 16th 2017.
Made 23 GP
1258 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2958
Month 29, Week 3: August 17th 2017.
Made 23 GP
1281 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 2981
Month 29, Week 4: August 18th 2017.
Made 23 GP
1304 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3004
Month 29, Week 5: August 19th 2017.
Made 23 GP. Paid 15 gp to guild.
1312 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3012
Alright now we roll again, this time with a -1 so it's 1d20+20 against DC 33.
1d20+20z
Goddess dammit another failure, we lose 5 gp, then we spend 125 gp to upgrade the farm again.
Month 29, Week 5: August 19th 2017.
Lost 5 gp, paid 125 gp to upgrade farm.
1182 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3007
1d4z
Check suffers a -2 in the future, but is raised by 3 by the new upgrade.
Our base is now 1d20+24 against DC 33, lowered by 2 by failed checks to 1d20+22. Remember that we only take those penalties on consecutive failed checks, so rolling 33 or above resets the counter. Which if we reset it, we can then start taking 10 on profit checks from now on.
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[Post 73]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 25 '17 2:01am
Month 29, Week 5: August 19th 2017.
1182 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3007
Month 30, Week 1: August 20th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1205 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3030
Month 30, Week 2: August 21th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1228 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3053
Month 30, Week 3: August 22th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1251 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3076
Month 30, Week 4: August 23th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1274 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3099
Month 30, Week 5: August 24th 2017.
Made 23 GP. Paid 15 gp to guild.
1282 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3107
Go Farming Dice Roll!
1d20+22z
Wow my luck is not with me. Lose 40 gp and another negative to 1d20+21z against DC 33. We're at -3 to checks now.
Month 30, Week 5: August 24th 2017.
Lost 40 gp.
1242 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3067
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[Post 74]
Author : ztanos
Date : Aug 25 '17 1:10pm
I'm just glad to see that the dice roller hates everyone.
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[Post 75]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 25 '17 2:26pm
I'm just glad to see that the dice roller hates everyone.
I know, it's kind of annoying.
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[Post 76]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Aug 26 '17 12:19am
How long do you need to wait before upgrading the farm again?
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[Post 77]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 26 '17 3:12am
How long do you need to wait before upgrading the farm again?
3 months in-universe between upgrades. So 15 real life days. So 10 more days til next upgrade.
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[Post 78]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Aug 26 '17 11:42am
Thank you! :)
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[Post 79]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 29 '17 10:34am
Month 30, Week 5: August 24th 2017.
1242 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3067
Month 31, Week 1: August 25th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1265 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3090
Month 31, Week 2: August 26th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1288 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3113
Month 31, Week 3: August 27th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1311 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3136
Month 31, Week 4: August 28th 2017.
Made 23 GP.
1334 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3159
Month 31, Week 5: August 29th 2017.
Made 23 GP. Paid 15 gp to guild.
1342 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3167
Go Farming Dice Roll!
1d20+21z Against DC 33.
Ugh, this is getting annoying. Lose 15 gp, and down to 1d20+20. At -4 on the checks now.
Month 31, Week 5: August 29th 2017.
1327 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3152
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[Post 80]
Author : ztanos
Date : Aug 29 '17 2:40pm
Long way to 5400 too... come on dice roller... be nice!
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[Post 81]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Aug 29 '17 6:42pm
With 3 months between gaining +2.5 (on average per upgrade), could this shop enter a death spiral?
Hopefully it doesn't, but is it possible? Is there a limiting factor I'm not considering?
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[Post 82]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 30 '17 2:27am
With 3 months between gaining +2.5 (on average per upgrade), could this shop enter a death spiral?
Hopefully it doesn't, but is it possible? Is there a limiting factor I'm not considering?
It only takes the negatives on consecutive rolls. If I could just get a single roll above 33, the negatives would reset and I could start taking 10, but the dice roller has not been kind.
Of course I could also always hire a specialist for a single month and have him do the roll in order to negate the negatives then dismiss him.
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[Post 83]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Sep 9 '17 7:26pm
"Please Traveller, bring him back to me. I beg of you."
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[Post 84]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Sep 11 '17 2:46am
"Please Traveller, bring him back to me. I beg of you."
Yeah I kind of got distracted with a few things. I'll update this tomorrow when I wake up.
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[Post 85]
Author : ztanos
Date : Sep 11 '17 3:03pm
Being a DM in a massive amount of games (one of which I'm a part of) is not an excuse. :D
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[Post 86]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Sep 11 '17 8:29pm
Wow, six is a lot of games!
(And those are just the visible ones...)
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[Post 87]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Sep 11 '17 10:47pm
Month 31, Week 5: August 29th 2017.
1327 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3152
Month 32, Week 1: August 30th 2017.
Made 23 gp
1350 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3175
Month 32, Week 2: August 31th 2017.
Made 23 gp
1373 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3198
Month 32, Week 3: September 1st 2017.
Made 23 gp
1396 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3221
Month 32, Week 4: September 2st 2017.
Made 23 gp
1419 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3244
Month 32, Week 5: September 3rd 2017.
Made 23 gp Paid 15 to guild.
1427 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1750 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3252
Okay and looking back we're at 1d20+20z against 33.
1d20+20z
HA! Profit! The negatives are negated! We're back to standard. I get 20 GP AND I get my upgrade for 125 gp.
Month 32, Week 5: September 3rd 2017.
Made 20 gp. Paid 125 gp for upgrade.
1d4z
1322 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth 3272
Now the Dice roll at 1d20+28 versus DC 33. We're going to take 10 from now on, and let the cash roll in.
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[Post 88]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Sep 11 '17 10:54pm
Month 32, Week 5: September 3rd 2017.
1322 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3272
Month 33, Week 1: September 4rd 2017.
Earned 23 Gp
1345 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3295
Month 33, Week 2: September 5rd 2017.
Earned 23 Gp
1368 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3318
Month 33, Week 3: September 6rd 2017.
Earned 23 Gp
1391 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3341
Month 33, Week 4: September 7rd 2017.
Earned 23 Gp
1414 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3364
Month 33, Week 5: September 8rd 2017.
Earned 23 Gp. Paid 15 to guild.
1422 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3372
And we earn 25 from our take ten for DC 38 against DC 33 for our first month of the quarter. Earned 25 gp
Month 33, Week 5: September 8rd 2017.
1447 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3397
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[Post 89]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Sep 19 '17 10:48am
Okay look I'm not doing the long posts anymore. I'm just going to do it month by month now that I'm taking 10 on everything.
Month 33, Week 5: September 8rd 2017.
1447 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3397
Monthly income from Profession check: 23 gp x 5 weeks = 115 gp.
Monthly payment to guild: -15 gp.
Monthly farm profit: 25 gp.
Total: 125 gp
Month 34, Week 5: September 13rd 2017.
1572 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
1875 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3522
Monthly income from Profession check: 23 gp x 5 weeks = 115 gp.
Monthly payment to guild: -15 gp.
Monthly farm profit: 25 gp.
Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm.
Total: 0 gp (cash), 125 gp (assets)
Month 35, Week 5: September 18rd 2017.
1572 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2000 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3647
Upgrade roll: 1d4z
Apparently now that we're in the black, the dice gods are being merciful.
Farm on a take 10 is rolling a 42 against DC 33 x 5 gp. 45 gp a month from farm now in terms of business profit.
I'll see you in 5 days or so for year end. Next level is 5400 gp
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[Post 90]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Oct 8 '17 4:51am
Geeze didn't update this for a while did I.
Month 35, Week 5: September 18rd 2017.
1572 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2000 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3647
Month 36, Week 5: September 23rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks, paid 15 gp to guild, made 45 gp from farm. For a total of 145 gp.
1717 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2000 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3792
At the end of year 3 we are up to 3792 GP worth of wealth and up two levels. Onto year 4!
Month 37, Week 5: September 28rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks, paid 15 gp to guild, made 45 gp from farm. For a total of 145 gp.
1862 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2000 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 3937
Month 38, Week 5: October 3rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks, paid 15 gp to guild, made 45 gp from farm. For a total of 145 gp. Paid 125 to upgrade farm. 20 gp increase in cash, and 125 increase in farm assets.
1882 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2125 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4082
1d4z
See you around October 18th or so hopefully. Also farm is now making 65 gp a month.
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[Post 91]
Author : Southernskies
Date : Oct 8 '17 4:58am
Don't forget a random chance of the farm being levelled by a major battle/orc raiders/other calamity.
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[Post 92]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Oct 8 '17 6:29am
Don't forget a random chance of the farm being levelled by a major battle/orc raiders/other calamity.
Wouldn't I then get XP for playing out the encounter along with other things? As well as gold and so on from killing the orcs as per the treasure tables?
This is JUST meant to compare the rate of just profession checks to the rate of your average D&D play by post game. At this point I think I've mostly got the data I need compared to how fast my other games are moving, and at this point am just doing this out of curiousity. Hell I've had 3 or 4 games DIE entirely since I started this. Like fully archived games due to lack of posting.
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[Post 93]
Author : ztanos
Date : Oct 19 '17 9:28pm
Bump?
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[Post 94]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Oct 22 '17 4:22pm
Bump?
Sorry I had some medical issues. I'll check this over and get onto it soon.
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[Post 95]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Oct 22 '17 4:26pm
Month 38, Week 5: October 3rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks, paid 15 gp to guild, made 45 gp from farm. For a total of 145 gp. Paid 125 to upgrade farm. 20 gp increase in cash, and 125 increase in farm assets. Farm is now making 65 gp.
1882 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2125 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4082
Month 39, Week 5: October 8rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 65 gp from Farm. Total of 165 gp.
2047 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2125 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4247
Month 40, Week 5: October 13rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 65 gp from Farm. Total of 165 gp.
2212 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2125 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4412
Month 41, Week 5: October 18rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 65 gp from Farm. Total of 165 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm.
2252 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2250 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4577
1d4z
Edit: Huh. Another 4. So making 85 gp now I guess.
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[Post 96]
Author : ztanos
Date : Oct 22 '17 7:22pm
Life always comes first.
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[Post 97]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Nov 24 '17 2:27pm
Cyber_Goddess Senpai? Are we continuing?
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[Post 98]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Nov 24 '17 3:08pm
Sorry I was letting it build up a bit, since I'm doing it in 5 day chunks.
Month 41, Week 5: October 18rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 65 gp from Farm. Total of 165 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm. Farm is now making 85 gp.
2252 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2250 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4577
Month 42, Week 5: October 23rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 85 gp from Farm. Total of 185 gp.
2437 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2250 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4762
Month 43, Week 5: October 28rd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 85 gp from Farm. Total of 185 gp.
2622 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2250 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 4947
Month 44, Week 5: November 2nd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 85 gp from Farm. Total of 185 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm. 60 gp cash total.
2682 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2375 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5132
1d4z
Farm is now making 95 gp.
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[Post 99]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Nov 24 '17 3:13pm
Month 44, Week 5: November 2nd 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 85 gp from Farm. Total of 185 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm. 60 gp cash total. Farm is now making 95 gp.
2682 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2375 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5132
Month 45, Week 5: November 7, 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 95 gp from Farm. Total of 195 gp.
2877 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2375 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5327
Month 46, Week 5: November 12, 2017.
Made 115 gp from profession checks. Paid 15 gp to guild. Made 95 gp from Farm. Total of 195 gp.
3072 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2375 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5522
Yeah we just broke level 4. We only got some skill ranks but also picked up a Master ability "Jack of all trades" which lets us trade in profession ranks at a 2 to 1 ratio into professions we don't have any ranks in. Basically we have 3 ranks in every profession we had no ranks in. Other than that, our guild fees are now 20 gp, and we're rolling 24 gp a week in farming profession or 120 gp...so effectively nothing changed there, because it's going up by 5 gp on both every time. Anyway, rolling just profession and leveling by GP 1st edition style, it apparently takes 46 months in-universe to reach level 4 from level 1. So I guess 3 years and 10 months. This started in late march, so I guess 8 months in the real world for 3 levels just doing this? Edit: Oh and our wisdom went up to 18 so that's another +1 to profession. So our profession is now 125 gp and guild is 20 gp.
Month 47, Week 5: November 12, 2017.
Made 125 gp from profession checks. Paid 20 gp to guild. Made 105 gp from Farm (this gets boosted by leveling up). Total of 210 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm.
3157 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2500 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5732
1d4z
Farm is now making 120 gp. I think I'm about able to open up that shop, but I'll need to run the numbers.
Edit: Nope, I need around 500 gp more. Also level 5 is at 9000 gp
See you november 27th I guess.
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[Post 100]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Dec 1 '17 12:33pm
More wealth?
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[Post 101]
Author : ztanos
Date : Dec 3 '17 6:08pm
But as you've stated. This has been going on longer than all but 1 of my games. In that game, I'm level 1, still.
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[Post 102]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Dec 4 '17 6:35am
Month 47, Week 5: November 12, 2017.
Made 125 gp from profession checks. Paid 20 gp to guild. Made 105 gp from Farm (this gets boosted by leveling up). Total of 210 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm.
3157 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2500 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5732
upgrade (3)
Farm is now making 120 gp. I think I'm about able to open up that shop, but I'll need to run the numbers.
Edit: Nope, I need around 500 gp more. Also level 5 is at 9000 gp
See you november 27th I guess
Month 48, Week 5: November 17, 2017. - End of Year 4.
Made 125 gp from profession checks. Paid 20 gp to guild. Made 120 gp from Farm Total of 225 gp.
3382 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2500 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 5957
Month 49, Week 5: November 22, 2017.
Made 125 gp from profession checks. Paid 20 gp to guild. Made 120 gp from Farm Total of 225 gp.
3607 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2500 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 6182
Month 50, Week 5: November 27, 2017.
Made 125 gp from profession checks. Paid 20 gp to guild. Made 120 gp from Farm Total of 225 gp. Paid 125 gp to upgrade farm. Total of 100 gp
3707 gp on hand
50 gp in Masterwork tools.
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
Total Wealth: 6407
1d4z - Farm is now making 135 gp.
Also this is where things get....interesting.
A shop with a single upgrade in the wild costs the following to open. 3500 gp. (1000 gp house, 2000 capital, 500 gp upgrade).
It has a base DC of -38. (-25 base, -10 wild, -4 high risk, with +1 low resource).
My mods are as follows.
Ranks 7
Secondary 1
Hours 2
Business savvy 3
Wisdom 4
Tools (costs 50 gp) 2
Master 2
Favored in Guild 1
For a sheet boost of +22 or +32 with take 10.
However there's a rule that allows us to hire specialists that grant a +2 each at increasing costs.
The first is 10 gp, the second 30 gp, the third 50 gp, the fourth 70 gp, fifth 90 gp.
So 5 specialists give +5 overall, since the risk modifier is x50 gp (500 gp bonus, at 250 gp cost)
However each specialist demands apparently a full share of the company's profits. So we'd only make 1/6th of our shop profit. While also cutting our farm profit by 10 due to starting ignoring the farm and not putting hours into it.
Also if we rolled a 1 on upgrades, the shop would only break even, but it's still not a loss!
However the benefit of the farm is even with it losing 50 gp of profit, it's still bringing in 85 gp a month which is enough to cover it's own upgrade costs. So let's do it!
3550 gp spent on shop tools, shop capital/resource, and shop upgrade.
1d4z
We hire 3 specialists for the shop. The shop is operating at a +1 overall. It would operate at a -2 without any of them, and the 3 of them give it a +6 in exchange for (10 + 30 + 50) - 90 gp a month and 3/4th of the profits. Shop is operating at +110 gp overall (+4 * 50 gp = 200 gp - 90 gp = 110 gp) before being split 5 ways. So the shop makes us 27.5 gp a month. As we upgrade the shop we'll start removing specialists until the shop is stable on it's own. Then the real fun begins.
157 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
3500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6407
Profession is also cut in half since we don't have loyal customers anymore and we need to focus on the shop. Our total profession mod is only +15, so we're rolling a 25 still on take 10., we're just only bringing in 12.5 gp a week. So 62.5 gp from profession (shop).
This is the roll for December 2.
Month 51, Week 5: December 2, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 27.5 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 155 gp total.
312 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
3500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6562
I don't think we'll be able to afford the 500 gp to upgrade the shop on December 12th, but we should be able to upgrade the farm again and work towards the 625 gp to upgrade both.
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[Post 103]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Dec 19 '17 6:04am
Month 51, Week 5: December 2, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 27.5 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 155 gp total.
312 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
3500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6562
Month 52, Week 5: December 7, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 27.5 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 155 gp total.
467 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
3500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6717
Month 53, Week 5: December 12, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 27.5 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 155 gp total.
622 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
3500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6872
We barely miss out on being able to upgrade them both. So we're going to spend 500 gp to upgrade the shop.
1d4z
Month 53, Week 5: December 12, 2017.
122 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
4000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6872
We fire our remaining specialists. The shop is now making a flat 100 gp a month, plus our farm income, plus profession income.
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[Post 104]
Author : ztanos
Date : Dec 21 '17 1:24am
So we're at what?...
247.5gp/month?
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[Post 105]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Dec 24 '17 7:21am
62.5 plus 85 plus 100 minus 20
I think its 227.5 a month. You forgot the guild fees.
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[Post 106]
Author : ztanos
Date : Dec 25 '17 4:39pm
I did indeed.
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[Post 107]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Dec 25 '17 8:21pm
I did indeed.
On the plus side 227.5 x 3 is greater than 625. So until the shop reaches the point where I can take a negative 10 on it we should be clear for upgrades for the next while.
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[Post 108]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Dec 28 '17 5:47pm
Month 53, Week 5: December 12, 2017.
122 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
4000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 6872
Month 54, Week 5: December 17, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 100 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 227.5 gp total.
349.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
4000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 7099.5
Month 55, Week 5: December 22, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 100 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 227.5 gp total.
577 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
4000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 7327
Month 56, Week 5: December 27, 2017.
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 85 gp from Farm, Made 100 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 227.5 gp total.
804.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2625 gp in Farm Assets
4000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 7554.5
Then paid 500 gp to upgrade shop and 125 gp to upgrade farm.
1d4z
1d4z
Month 56, Week 5: December 27, 2017.
179.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2750 gp in Farm Assets
4500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 7554.5
Farm is now making 105 and Shop 250.
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[Post 109]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : Dec 31 '17 3:42pm
Happy New Year!
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[Post 110]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jan 26 '18 10:01am
Month 56, Week 5: December 27, 2017.
179.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2750 gp in Farm Assets
4500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 7554.5
Farm is now making 105 and Shop 250.
Month 57, Week 5: January 1, 2018
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 105 gp from Farm, Made 250 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 397.5 gp total.
577 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2750 gp in Farm Assets
4500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 7952
Month 58, Week 5: January 6, 2018
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 105 gp from Farm, Made 250 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 397.5 gp total.
974.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2750 gp in Farm Assets
4500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 8349.5
Month 59, Week 5: January 11, 2018
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 105 gp from Farm, Made 250 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 397.5 gp total.
1372 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2750 gp in Farm Assets
4500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 8747
Spent 125 to upgrade farm, 500 gp to upgrade shop.
1d4z
1d4z
Month 59, Week 5: January 11, 2018
747 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2875 gp in Farm Assets
5000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 8747
Farm is making 125 gp, Shop is making 450
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[Post 111]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jan 26 '18 10:05am
Month 59, Week 5: January 11, 2018
747 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2875 gp in Farm Assets
5000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 8747
Month 60, Week 5: January 16, 2018
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 125 gp from Farm, Made 450 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 617.5 gp total.
1364.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2875 gp in Farm Assets
5000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 9364.5
And we've leveled up to level 5. Give me a second to figure out the build.
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[Post 112]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jan 26 '18 10:14am
Alright, at level 5 I get more skill ranks, and the Skill focus (Profession: Merchant) feat as a bonus feat from Master 5. Next level at 13000 gp. I get my first level of Merchant Prince.
Farm is now making 130 gp, shop 500 gp, and my guild fees went up to 25 gp a month. Also my profession (Shop) skill now makes me 13 gp a week up to 65 gp from profession.
Month 60, Week 5: January 16, 2018
Made 62.5 gp from profession checks. Made 125 gp from Farm, Made 450 gp from Shop. Paid 20 gp to guild. 617.5 gp total.
1364.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2875 gp in Farm Assets
5000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 9364.5
Month 61, Week 5: January 21, 2018
Made 65 gp from profession checks. Made 130 gp from Farm, Made 500 gp from Shop. Paid 25 gp to guild. 670 gp total.
2034.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2875 gp in Farm Assets
5000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 10034.5
Month 61, Week 5: January 26, 2018
Made 65 gp from profession checks. Made 130 gp from Farm, Made 500 gp from Shop. Paid 25 gp to guild. 670 gp total.
2704.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
2875 gp in Farm Assets
5000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 10704.5
and we upgrade again for 625 gp.
1d4z
1d4z
Month 61, Week 5: January 26, 2018
2079.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3000 gp in Farm Assets
5500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 10704.5
and the dice love me. Farm is now making 140 gp, Shop is making 700 gp
By the way, just to note, the level 6 WBL is 13,000 gp......yeah.
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[Post 113]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jan 28 '18 10:21pm
Now you're increasing quickly. Definitely faster than campaigns.
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[Post 114]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jan 29 '18 11:33am
Now you're increasing quickly. Definitely faster than campaigns.
Now the only question is "how long til we hit 20?"
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[Post 115]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 10 '18 8:02am
Month 61, Week 5: January 26, 2018
2079.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3000 gp in Farm Assets
5500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 10704.5
and the dice love me. Farm is now making 140 gp, Shop is making 700 gp
By the way, just to note, the level 6 WBL is 13,000 gp......yeah.
Month 62, Week 5: January 31, 2018
Made 65 gp from profession checks. Made 140 gp from Farm, Made 700 gp from Shop. Paid 25 gp to guild. 880 gp total.
2959.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3000 gp in Farm Assets
5500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 11584.5
Month 63, Week 5: February 5, 2018
Made 65 gp from profession checks. Made 140 gp from Farm, Made 700 gp from Shop. Paid 25 gp to guild. 880 gp total.
3839.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3000 gp in Farm Assets
5500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 12464.5
Month 64, Week 5: February 10, 2018
Made 65 gp from profession checks. Made 140 gp from Farm, Made 700 gp from Shop. Paid 25 gp to guild. 880 gp total.
4719.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3000 gp in Farm Assets
5500 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 13344.5
*Checks books* And 13,000 GP is requirement for level 6. This is where things get complicated. We get our first level of Merchant Prince as well as the Leadership feat. First things first though. Let's spend 625 gp on upgrades. 125 farm, 500 shop, you know the drill.
1d4z
1d4z
Month 64, Week 5: February 10, 2018
4094.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 13344.5
Farm is now making 150 gp, Shop 800 gp. I'll post the level up in another post.
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[Post 116]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 10 '18 8:12am
Okay so at level 6, we only get 6 skill points a level, not 8. So we're going to skip out on profession (farm), knowledge (nature), knowledge (local) and handle animal. In exchange for dropping those 4 skills, we're going to level 2 ranks in knowledge (geography), along with appraise, bluff, diplomacy, profession (merchant), and profession (Shopkeeper).
Our new Merchant Prince level gives us a +2 insight bonus on all profit checks and a 10% reduction in capital costs. We also have our leadership feat, which according to the rules in the PHB2, we will use to start an affiliation at scale 1, capital 1.
The farm is making 160 gp a month, and the shop 950 gp, but we've got 4094.5 gp to spare. So I'm going to run some numbers and see if we should start going bigger.
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[Post 117]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 10 '18 8:16am
Okay if I lower the shop by 10, the shop is making 450 gp and the farm 160 gp. But the "mill" doesn't quite have enough ranks to turn a profit by itself even with the merchant prince bonus. But it'll break even on a 2 or higher on the upgrade so I'm going to chance it.
Month 64, Week 5: February 10, 2018
4094.5 gp on hand
100 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm and Shop)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
Total Wealth: 13344.5
Farm is now making 150 gp, Shop 800 gp.
Spend 50 gp on masterwork millers tools, spend 1800 gp capital, and 1000 gp resource to open a mill, spend 450 gp on upgrade for mill. Total 3300 gp. (50 gp tools, 3250 gp mill)
1d4z
and that's not good at all. Like at all. I'm going to have to hope for some lucky dice rolls in the future since I can't hire specialists to help out with a low risk business.
Mill is losing 5 gp a month.
Month 64, Week 5: February 10, 2018
794.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 13344.5
Farm is making 160 gp, Shop 450 gp. Mill -5. Profession (Miller) is now making 11 gp a week for 55 gp a month. Affiliation is scale 1, capital 1. Next level is 19,000 GP.
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[Post 118]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 25 '18 9:30pm
Alright this is where things get weird.
I can't hire specialists to boost the mill, and I take an extra -1, for every CONSECUTIVE failed profit check, so -1 becomes -2, etc, and "take 10" doesn't break even. But here's the thing, "consecutive" is the key word, if I roll a good roll and make a profit, it negates the negatives.
So what we're going to do is roll for the mill, take 10 everywhere else, and hope we can make it to 3 months for an upgrade then hopefully roll high enough to remove all the negatives and make the Mill stable enough for a take 10.
Month 64, Week 5: February 10, 2018
794.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 13344.5
Farm is making 160 gp, Shop 450 gp. Mill -5. Profession (Miller) is now making 11 gp a week for 55 gp a month. Affiliation is scale 1, capital 1. Next level is 19,000 GP.
1d20-11z
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[Post 119]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 25 '18 9:35pm
Month 64, Week 5: February 10, 2018
794.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 13344.5
Month 65, Week 5: February 15, 2018
Farm made 160 gp, Shop 450 gp, Mill 40 gp, Profession 55 gp. Paid 30 gp to guild now that we're level 6. Total 675 gp.
1469.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 14019.5
Rolling for February 20 for mill.
1d20-11z
Wow we are lucky. February 20th the Mill makes us 25 gp.
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[Post 120]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 25 '18 9:39pm
Month 65, Week 5: February 15, 2018
1469.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 14019.5
Month 66, Week 5: February 20, 2018
Farm made 160 gp, Shop 450 gp, Mill 25 gp, Profession 55 gp. Paid 30 gp to guild now that we're level 6. Total 660 gp.
Also two months have passed so our affiliation is at Capital 2 of 2, it will increase to level 2 affiliation in 2 months (double it's level)
2129.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 14679.5
Roll for February 25th for Mill.
1d20-11z
The Mill loses 5 gp on Febuary 25th and loses an additional -1 to the check, the mill is now rolling 1d20-12z come March 2nd.
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[Post 121]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Feb 25 '18 9:41pm
Month 66, Week 5: February 20, 2018
2129.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 14679.5
Month 67, Week 5: February 25, 2018
Farm made 160 gp, Shop 450 gp, Mill -5 gp, Profession 55 gp. Paid 30 gp to guild now that we're level 6. Total 630 gp.
2759.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3125 gp in Farm Assets
6000 gp in Shop Assets
3250 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 15309.5
Now we pay 125 gp to upgrade farm, 500 gp upgrade to shop, and 450 gp to upgrade mill.
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And the mill gets a +3 to upgrade, so we can take 10 on the next roll to make a profit and negate the -1 from bad month on the 25th, then just take 10 from then on.
Month 67, Week 5: February 25, 2018
1684.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3250 gp in Farm Assets
6500 gp in Shop Assets
3700 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 15309.5
1684.5 + 150 + 25 + 3250 + 6500 + 3700
Farm is now making 180 gp, Shop 550 gp, and Mill 5 gp uped to 10 gp after the next month when we use our take 10 to negate the penalty.
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[Post 122]
Author : ztanos
Date : Mar 5 '18 4:21pm
I'm glad you can keep up with all of this... there's a lot going on.
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[Post 123]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 6 '18 6:34pm
I'm glad you can keep up with all of this... there's a lot going on.
Well I do have an accounting diploma. So if I wasn't able to keep up with it...
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[Post 124]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 12 '18 3:07pm
Month 67, Week 5: February 25, 2018
1684.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3250 gp in Farm Assets
6500 gp in Shop Assets
3700 gp in Mill Assets.
Total Wealth: 15309.5
1684.5 + 150 + 25 + 3250 + 6500 + 3700
Farm is now making 180 gp, Shop 550 gp, and Mill 5 gp uped to 10 gp after the next month when we use our take 10 to negate the penalty.
Month 68, Week 5: March 2, 2018
Farm made 180 gp, Shop 550 gp, Mill 5 gp, Profession 55 gp. Paid 30 gp to guild now that we're level 6.
180 + 550 + 5 + 55 - 30 = 760 gp. Due to mill profiting on a take 10, it's -1 from failed checks is negated and now it makes 10 gp starting next month.
2444.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3250 gp in Farm Assets
6500 gp in Shop Assets
3700 gp in Mill Assets.
2444.5 + 150 + 25 + 3250 + 6500 + 3700 = 16069.5
Total Wealth: 16069.5
Month 69, Week 5: March 7, 2018
Farm made 180 gp, Shop 550 gp, Mill 10 gp, Profession 55 gp. Paid 30 gp to guild now that we're level 6.
180 + 550 + 10 + 55 - 30 = 765 gp.
2444.5 + 765 = 3209.5 gp
3209.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3250 gp in Farm Assets
6500 gp in Shop Assets
3700 gp in Mill Assets.
3209.5 + 150 + 25 + 3250 + 6500 + 3700 = 16834.5
Total Wealth: 16834.5
Month 70, Week 5: March 12, 2018
Farm made 180 gp, Shop 550 gp, Mill 10 gp, Profession 55 gp. Paid 30 gp to guild now that we're level 6.
180 + 550 + 10 + 55 - 30 = 765 gp.
3209.5 + 765 = 3974.5 gp
3974.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3250 gp in Farm Assets
6500 gp in Shop Assets
3700 gp in Mill Assets.
3974.5 + 150 + 25 + 3250 + 6500 + 3700 = 17599.5
Total Wealth: 17599.5
Then we pay 125 gp to upgrade farm, 500 gp to upgrade shop, and 450 gp to upgrade mill. (Upgrades are based on the 'original capital cost' so arguably RAW you don't get discounted upgrades on businesses you opened before becoming a merchant prince)
Month 70, Week 5: March 12, 2018
3974.5 - 125 - 500 - 450 = 2899.5
3250 + 125 = 3375
6500 + 500 = 7000
3700 + 450 = 4150
2899.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
2899.5 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 17599.5
Total Wealth: 17599.5
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[Post 125]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Mar 12 '18 3:08pm
Farm is now making 185 gp, Shop 750 gp, and Mill 30 gp. Profession is currently Miller that makes us 55 gp, and guild fees monthly are 30 gp.
Month 70, Week 5: March 12, 2018
2899.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
2899.5 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 17599.5
Total Wealth: 17599.5
Our next level is at 19000 GP, we will level next quarter.
Edit: OH and in Month 68, our affiliation became Size 2 Capital 2, In month 70 it gains another capital to Size 2 Capital 3.
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[Post 126]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 14 '18 1:52pm
Woah I left this alone for a while. Give me a second.
Farm is now making 185 gp, Shop 750 gp, and Mill 30 gp. Profession is currently Miller that makes us 55 gp, and guild fees monthly are 30 gp.
Month 70, Week 5: March 12, 2018
2899.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
2899.5 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 17599.5
Total Wealth: 17599.5
Month 71, Week 5: March 17, 2018
Farm made 185 gp, Shop 750 gp, and Mill 30 gp. Profession is currently Miller that makes us 55 gp, and guild fees monthly are 30 gp.
185 + 750 + 30 + 55 - 30 = 990
2899.5 + 990 = 3889.5 gp
3889.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
3889.5 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 18589.5
Month 72, Week 5: March 22, 2018
Farm made 185 gp, Shop 750 gp, and Mill 30 gp. Profession is currently Miller that makes us 55 gp, and guild fees monthly are 30 gp.
185 + 750 + 30 + 55 - 30 = 990
3889.5 + 990 = 4879.5 gp
4879.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
4879.5 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 19579.5
And we level to level 7, making our character now a Master 5/Merchant Prince 2. I'll post the level up in the next post and then do Month 73.
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[Post 127]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 14 '18 2:00pm
Okay we're at level 7 and get another merchant prince level, which lowers our capital costs by another 10%, and gives another +2 on profit checks.
Also we've reached 10 ranks on the secondary skills of the shop and mine giving them another +1
I increased the profession (shopkeeper) ranks by 1, which in turn boosted the 50% rank total of the mill. The farm ranks stay the same since we've moved on from that.
Farm is now making 195 gp, Shop 950 gp, and Mill 50 gp. Profession is currently miller which is rolling +13 for 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week for 11.5 * 5 = 57.5 gp from profession. Guild fees are up to 35 gp a month.
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[Post 128]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 14 '18 2:05pm
Month 72, Week 5: March 22, 2018
Farm made 185 gp, Shop 750 gp, and Mill 30 gp. Profession is currently Miller that makes us 55 gp, and guild fees monthly are 30 gp.
185 + 750 + 30 + 55 - 30 = 990
3889.5 + 990 = 4879.5 gp
4879.5 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
4879.5 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 19579.5
Farm is now making 195 gp, Shop 950 gp, and Mill 50 gp. Profession is currently miller which is rolling +13 for 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week for 11.5 * 5 = 57.5 gp from profession. Guild fees are up to 35 gp a month.
Month 73, Week 5: March 27, 2018
Farm made 195 gp, Shop 950 gp, and Mill 50 gp. Profession is currently Miller that makes us 57.5 gp, and guild fees monthly are 35 gp.
195 + 950 + 50 + 57.5 - 35 = 1217.5
4879.5 + 1217.5 = 6097 gp
6097 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3375 gp in Farm Assets
7000 gp in Shop Assets
4150 gp in Mill Assets.
6097 + 150 + 25 + 3375 + 7000 + 4150 = 20797
Our next level is 27000 gp for level 8.
We spend 125 gp on farm upgrade, 500 gp on shop upgrade, and 450 gp on mill upgrade.
6097 - 125 - 500 - 450 =
5022 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3500 gp in Farm Assets
7500 gp in Shop Assets
4600 gp in Mill Assets.
5022 + 150 + 25 + 3500 + 7500 + 4600 = 20797.
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Farm is now making 200 gp, Shop 1100 gp, and Mill 55 gp.
The shop may seem like the main focus, but our main focus for now is actually the mill. You see the mill has a risk factor of x5, which means it's total roll on a take 10 is now totaling 11.
It has a boost from hours +2, while the others have negatives from hours -8 to be exact.
What this means is that the mill...well it's fully automated now. We can legit ignore it from now on and take our interests elsewhere.
Our next target is logically either the tavern or the moneylender. The issue is that both require "medium resource" which is a 5000 gp "Grand house" for the building. And both require 2000 gp, lowered to 1600 gp for capital. Totaling 6600 gp to open one up. Cash we don't currently have, especially if we're going to keep upgrading everything. With upgrades costing our cashflow a good 1075 every 3 months.
Now here's the thing about the Tavern versus the moneylender. Yes the tavern brings in more money, but it also requires the specialist trick again. Without specialists it sits at -5, even at a maximum 4 upgrade, I can't quite counter the DC 39 check for the base wilderness tavern.
The Moneylender however is medium risk. That means that it only has a Base DC of 35, -25 base, and -10 wilderness. Sure it brings in less cash, but it sits at a flat 0, due to having both secondary skills at 10 ranks. It's guaranteed money.
Basically for now, I want to sit on my rear for 3 months and not open anything right now, and get the moneylender 3 months from now when I have the cash brought in. However for now, I'll be swapping my focus to the shop, putting the mill down by 10 (+2 hours to -8 hours) and boosting the shop by 10 (-8 hours to +2 hours) for an extra 450 gp a month over the next 3 months. It'll also boost my profession income. Once those 3 months pass, I'll open the Moneylender and push onward towards level 10.
Farm is making 200 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 5 gp. Profession skill is (Shopkeeper), which rolls 28 on take ten for 14 gp * 5 = 70 gp a month, guild fees are 35 gp a month.
Also in month 70 our affiliation when to Size 2 Capital 3, and in month 72, Size 2 Capital 4. It'll grow to size 3 in 4 months. On Month 76 it'll become Size 3 Capital 4.
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[Post 129]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Apr 14 '18 2:31pm
Month 73, Week 5: March 27, 2018
5022 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3500 gp in Farm Assets
7500 gp in Shop Assets
4600 gp in Mill Assets.
5022 + 150 + 25 + 3500 + 7500 + 4600 = 20797
Month 74, Week 5: April 1, 2018
Farm is making 200 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 5 gp. Profession skill is (Shopkeeper), which rolls 28 on take ten for 14 gp * 5 = 70 gp a month, guild fees are 35 gp a month.
200 + 1600 + 5 + 70 - 35 = 1840
5022 + 1840 = 6862
6862 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3500 gp in Farm Assets
7500 gp in Shop Assets
4600 gp in Mill Assets.
6862 + 150 + 25 + 3500 + 7500 + 4600 = 22637
Month 75, Week 5: April 6, 2018
Farm is making 200 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 5 gp. Profession skill is (Shopkeeper), which rolls 28 on take ten for 14 gp * 5 = 70 gp a month, guild fees are 35 gp a month.
200 + 1600 + 5 + 70 - 35 = 1840
6862 + 1840 = 8702
8702 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3500 gp in Farm Assets
7500 gp in Shop Assets
4600 gp in Mill Assets.
8702 + 150 + 25 + 3500 + 7500 + 4600 = 24477
Month 76, Week 5: April 11, 2018
Farm is making 200 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 5 gp. Profession skill is (Shopkeeper), which rolls 28 on take ten for 14 gp * 5 = 70 gp a month, guild fees are 35 gp a month.
200 + 1600 + 5 + 70 - 35 = 1840
8702 + 1840 = 10542
10542 gp on hand
150 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill)
25 gp in guild membership.
3500 gp in Farm Assets
7500 gp in Shop Assets
4600 gp in Mill Assets.
10542 + 150 + 25 + 3500 + 7500 + 4600 = 26317
and now after that blitz of cash flow, we buy upgrades and open our moneylender, while lowering the shop back down.
Spend 125 on farm upgrade, 500 gp on shop, 450 on mill, 50 gp on Moneylender Masterwork tools, 5000 on a grand house, 1600 gp on moneylender capital, and 400 gp on first moneylender upgrade.
10542 - 125 - 500 - 450 - 50 - 5000 - 1600 - 400 = 2417
2417 gp on hand
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets
8000 gp in Shop assets
5050 in Mill Assets
7000 in Moneylender Assets
2417 + 200 + 25 + 3625 + 8000 + 5050 + 7000 = 26317
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Farm is now making 210 gp, Shop 1250 gp, Mill 15 gp, Moneylender 80 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 35 gp.
Affiliation is now Size 3 Capital 4.
We level to level 8 at 27000 gp.
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[Post 130]
Author : GrzegorzGD
Date : Apr 14 '18 4:08pm
After reading this i have an idea of game like this, with multiple players running their own business. There might be a leaderboard with best shops. I will have to look closer at how this rules look like in 3.5, but this might be a longest living game on MW, since if you are behind everyone, you can still just make checks that you missed
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[Post 131]
Author : ztanos
Date : Apr 23 '18 8:27pm
I'd be willing to learn how to play this, if the DM/CG would be patient and help out. :D
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[Post 132]
Author : ShakeyBox
Date : May 13 '18 10:16pm
Given how fast level 7 was, will El Presidente be level 9 now?
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[Post 133]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 14 '18 9:05am
Oh yeah I should probably update this lol give me a second to get my books.
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[Post 134]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 27 '18 3:02am
Month 76, Week 5: April 11, 2018
2417 gp on hand
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets
8000 gp in Shop assets
5050 in Mill Assets
7000 in Moneylender Assets
2417 + 200 + 25 + 3625 + 8000 + 5050 + 7000 = 26317
Farm is now making 210 gp, Shop 1250 gp, Mill 15 gp, Moneylender 80 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 35 gp.
Affiliation is now Size 3 Capital 4.
We level to level 8 at 27000 gp.
Okay I've been putting this off. Let's do it.
Month 77, Week 5: April 16, 2018
Farm is now making 210 gp, Shop 1250 gp, Mill 15 gp, Moneylender 80 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 35 gp.
210 + 1250 + 15 + 80 + 57.5 - 35 = 1577.5
2417 gp on hand + 1577. 5 = 3994.5
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets
8000 gp in Shop assets
5050 in Mill Assets
7000 in Moneylender Assets
3994.5 + 200 + 25 + 3625 + 8000 + 5050 + 7000 = 27894.5
And we level up to level 8. Another level of merchant prince. We also get +1 charisma, boosting us to 13 charisma. Shopkeeper increase by 1 rank, and profit checks increase by +2 across the board.
Farm is now making 220 gp, Shop 1400 gp, Mill 25 gp, Moneylender 120 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
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[Post 135]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 27 '18 3:06am
Month 78, Week 5: April 21, 2018
Farm is now making 220 gp, Shop 1400 gp, Mill 25 gp, Moneylender 120 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
220 + 1400 + 25 + 120 + 57.5 - 40 = 1782.5
3994.5 gp on hand + 1782.5 = 5777
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets
8000 gp in Shop assets
5050 in Mill Assets
7000 in Moneylender Assets
5777 + 200 + 25 + 3625 + 8000 + 5050 + 7000 = 29677
Affiliation is now scale 3 capital 5. Our next level is at 36000 gp.
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[Post 136]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : May 27 '18 3:11am
Month 79, Week 5: April 26, 2018
Farm is now making 220 gp, Shop 1400 gp, Mill 25 gp, Moneylender 120 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
220 + 1400 + 25 + 120 + 57.5 - 40 = 1782.5
5777 gp on hand + 1782.5 = 7559.5
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets
8000 gp in Shop assets
5050 in Mill Assets
7000 in Moneylender Assets
7559.5 + 200 + 25 + 3625 + 8000 + 5050 + 7000 = 31459.5
And we upgrade.
Spend 125 on farm upgrade, 500 gp on shop, 450 on mill, and 400 gp on first moneylender upgrade.
125 + 500 + 450 + 400 = 1475
7559.5 gp on hand - 1475 = 6084.5
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets + 125 = 3750
8000 gp in Shop assets + 500 = 8500
5050 in Mill Assets + 450 = 5500
7000 in Moneylender Assets + 400 = 7400
6084.5 + 200 + 25 + 3750 + 8500 + 5500 + 7400 = 31459.5
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Farm is now making 230 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 40 gp, Moneylender 180 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
I'll upgrade this again later. The heat is getting to me. Ugh.
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[Post 137]
Author : GrzegorzGD
Date : Jun 1 '18 11:42pm
By my calculation you now earn >2k per month. in three months you will reach lvl 9. Then it will just be avalanche until you conquer the world with your fortune This keep speeding while most games keep dying
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[Post 138]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 2 '18 9:56am
Let's see...april had 31 days. So That would be 31, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 for our next six months.
Month 79, Week 5: April 26, 2018
Farm is now making 230 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 40 gp, Moneylender 180 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
6084.5gp on hand
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3625 gp in Farm Assets + 125 = 3750
8000 gp in Shop assets + 500 = 8500
5050 in Mill Assets + 450 = 5500
7000 in Moneylender Assets + 400 = 7400
6084.5 + 200 + 25 + 3750 + 8500 + 5500 + 7400 = 31459.5
So
Month 80, Week 5: April 31, 2018
Farm is now making 230 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 40 gp, Moneylender 180 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
230 + 1600 + 40 + 180 + 57.5 - 40 = 2067.5
6084.5 gp on hand + 2067.5 = 8152
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3750 gp in Farm Assets
8500 gp in Shop assets
5500 in Mill Assets
7400 in Moneylender Assets
8152 + 200 + 25 + 3750 + 8500 + 5500 + 7400 = 33527
Affiliation is now Scale 3, Capital 6. Will increase to scale 4 in 6 months during month 86.
Month 81, Week 5: May 5, 2018
Farm is now making 230 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 40 gp, Moneylender 180 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
230 + 1600 + 40 + 180 + 57.5 - 40 = 2067.5
8152 gp on hand + 2067.5 = 10219.5
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3750 gp in Farm Assets
8500 gp in Shop assets
5500 in Mill Assets
7400 in Moneylender Assets
10219.5 + 200 + 25 + 3750 + 8500 + 5500 + 7400 = 35594.5
Month 82, Week 5: May 10, 2018
Farm is now making 230 gp, Shop 1600 gp, Mill 40 gp, Moneylender 180 gp. Profession skill and hours is now Profession (moneylender) which is pulling 23 on a take 10 for 11.5 gp a week * 5 = 57.5 gp a month. Guild fees is 40 gp.
230 + 1600 + 40 + 180 + 57.5 - 40 = 2067.5
10219.5 gp on hand + 2067.5 = 12287
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3750 gp in Farm Assets
8500 gp in Shop assets
5500 in Mill Assets
7400 in Moneylender Assets
12287 + 200 + 25 + 3750 + 8500 + 5500 + 7400 = 37662
We have leveled again. We will level up before spending the upgrade money and starting a new business.
The merchant prince gives us no skill alterations for this level outside of the +2 profit checks and -10% capital costs. We continue increasing our skill ranks as before in preparation for level 10. I will post the level up, upgrades and possible next purchase in the next post.
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[Post 139]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 2 '18 10:03am
There is one thing to note that I missed during this level up, and that is that I receive the Guildmaster feat. We no longer need to pay guild dues, and can swap our cohort out 1/day. As per the rules in power of faerun, we also get another +1 to profit checks. As well as a +1 to our leadership score. In addition since our profession ranks are now 12, our "trade in" ranks get boosted to 6 from jack of all trades.
Then we spend money on upgrades.
12287 gp on hand
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3750 gp in Farm Assets
8500 gp in Shop assets
5500 in Mill Assets
7400 in Moneylender Assets
12287 + 200 + 25 + 3750 + 8500 + 5500 + 7400 = 37662
125 on farm, 500 on shop, 450 on mill, 400 on moneylender = 125 + 500 + 450 + 400 = 1475 spend on upgrades.
12287 gp on hand - 1475 = 10812 gp
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank)
25 gp in guild membership.
3750 gp in Farm Assets + 125 = 3875
8500 gp in Shop assets + 500 = 9000
5500 in Mill Assets + 450 = 5950
7400 in Moneylender Assets + 400 = 7800
10812 + 200 + 25 + 3875 + 9000 + 5950 + 7800 = 37662
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Farm is now making 255 gp, Shop 2000 gp, Mill 70 gp, Moneylender 320 gp. Guild fees are zero because we are now guildmaster.
However we will lower the bank profits for the near future. For we have the money and skill to open a tavern.
Cost is 5000 gp for the grand house for building, and 1200 gp for start up capital (2000 - 40%), we also spend 25% of the start up capital on upgrades or 300 gp. We also spend 50 gp on masterwork tavern tools.
Moneylender is now making 120 gp. Will roll upgrade for tavern.
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Alright our tavern is bringing in 200 gp a month.
10812 gp on hand - 6550 = 4262 gp on hand
200 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank) + 50 (Tavern) = 250
25 gp in guild membership.
3750 gp in Farm Assets + 125 = 3875
8500 gp in Shop assets + 500 = 9000
5500 in Mill Assets + 450 = 5950
7400 in Moneylender Assets + 400 = 7800
6500 in Tavern Assets = 6500
4262 + 250 + 25 + 3875 + 9000 + 5950 + 7800 + 6500 = 37662 gp.
End result.
Month 82, Week 5: May 10, 2018
Farm is now making 255 gp, Shop 2000 gp, Mill 70 gp, Moneylender 120 gp. Tavern makes 200 gp Guild fees are zero because we are now guildmaster. Profession is now Profession (innkeeper) which on a take 10 rolls a 24 for 12 gp a week times 5 = 60 gp.
255 + 2000 + 70 + 120 + 200 + 60 = 2705 gp a month.
4262 gp on hand
250 gp in Masterwork tools. (Farm, Shop, Mill, Bank Tavern)
25 gp in guild membership.
3875 gp in Farm Assets
9000 gp in Shop assets
5950 in Mill Assets
7800 in Moneylender Assets
6500 in Tavern Assets
4262 + 250 + 25 + 3875 + 9000 + 5950 + 7800 + 6500 = 37662.
We hit the big level 10 at 49000 gp.
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[Post 140]
Author : ztanos
Date : Jun 4 '18 8:33pm
I'm glad you can keep track of all of this... :(
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[Post 141]
Author : Icculus
Date : Jun 4 '18 11:12pm
Are there any randomly generated setbacks to this business? Obviously we are looking at a farm here, so bad weather, drought, frost?
How about competition? Size of market, expanding distribution costs? Employee theft? employee injuries? marauding invaders?
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[Post 142]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Jun 5 '18 3:43am
Are there any randomly generated setbacks to this business? Obviously we are looking at a farm here, so bad weather, drought, frost?
How about competition? Size of market, expanding distribution costs? Employee theft? employee injuries? marauding invaders?
There are rules for random events in the DMG2. However those are DM dependent and would grant XP. The issue is that they're DM dependent. Also they're completely moronic. Every month there's a 5% chance of a fire that outright destroys the business.
It's like pointing out that there are random encounter rules in the DMG. Every hour or so of travel you're suppose to roll for a random encounter, but no one does that because it's annoying as hell, and often ruins the DM's goal.
The objective of this is basically the question of "at the rate of one post a day, with that roll being 'I roll Profession', how fast would you level via Wealth by level?" compared to playing a game normally.
The logic is that many GMs have rules about posting rates, and so on. Also in AD&D you did level via gathering wealth, plus in a business game it's logical you would level via money.
Basically if you were allowed to level by wealth by level, how fast would you level if your single post a day was "I roll profession" with a week passing, followed up with "I roll profession and profit checks".
Needless to say, the data I have so far has come to the conclusion it is far faster. Either that or I'm a lousy DM who needs to give out levels far more often.
Then again, as many posters in this thread have pointed out, many games just flat out die before they hit a single real-world year. I admit many of my games die long before a year.
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[Post 143]
Author : MaruAmoriani
Date : Aug 14 '18 11:10pm
Poke. Prod.
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[Post 144]
Author : Sparx MacGyver
Date : Aug 17 '18 9:05pm
Is this kinda dead? Or just forgotten maybe?
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[Post 145]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 18 '18 12:01am
I more got bored than anything. I'll update it if you really want but I've been having medical issues and a lot of bookkeeping heavy games.
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[Post 146]
Author : Sparx MacGyver
Date : Aug 18 '18 1:55am
No worries. I just enjoy stuff like this. Real life and actual games you are a part of take precedent.
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[Post 147]
Author : Cyber_Goddess
Date : Aug 18 '18 8:22am
In all honesty, I just feel kind of annoyed that there's no real story here. I mean the experiment has pretty much already proved its point. The only thing left to do is get to level 20.
In all honesty, It would almost be faster to just code a spreadsheet to do it for me. Or just run a downtime game for the people who are actually interested in this.
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[Post 148]
Author : Southernskies
Date : Aug 27 '18 1:45am
Yes, you have proven the point. So, a Master Merchant takes ~7 years to reach Level 10.
As a Guildmaster is likely to have been in their trade for 30-40 years, they're not going to be level 1 commoners...
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