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If you're committed to this course of action, by all means, continue on. I feel, however, that perhaps you're (ICly) jumping the gun a bit. Yes, it was a distasteful action, but it was one incident. Technically, the "prisoner" was a bandit of sorts; someone who was part of the attempted ambush earlier. Not sure why Gwain is giving up already.

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That's your choice of course Grudge, if you want to remove a character from the game. I'll think a bit about a replacement and get back to you on that.

As an fyi for everybody, what was going to happen if none of you were wiling to kill the caravan ambusher, was Khandy would and then donate the bounty money to Petur's orphans as I'd posted before the ninja. It's a highly complex scenario one where of course Silas is testing you all for good reason - he doesn't know just what Markus has saddled him with, he guesses it's just a bunch of cut-price off worlders he's hired on the side (guild guard prices doubled after the massacre of the other two caravans) but Silas wants to see what you're made of before heading into the wilderness. Silas has no issue with any of the characters refusing to kill the actual already convicted criminal who is due to be executed by the way, otherwise he wouldn't have given the bounty to the party.

Also as a comment you can trust your DM a bit here. The good guys are in charge if you haven't read that between the lines at this stage. If I was going to put everybody in a situation of true treachery I'd flag that prior to the mission and state it was that kind of game. It is plain sailing here on in as it were.

Game-wise this situation was to let people role play their characters a bit rather than simple hack'n'slash. If it's something a player feels uncomfortable with their character in I'll certainly respect that.

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52 minutes ago, Thramzorean said:

That's your choice of course Grudge, if you want to remove a character from the game. I'll think a bit about a replacement and get back to you on that.

As an fyi for everybody, what was going to happen if none of you were wiling to kill the caravan ambusher, was Khandy would and then donate the bounty money to Petur's orphans as I'd posted before the ninja. It's a highly complex scenario one where of course Silas is testing you all for good reason - he doesn't know just what Markus has saddled him with, he guesses it's just a bunch of cut-price off worlders he's hired on the side (guild guard prices doubled after the massacre of the other two caravans) but Silas wants to see what you're made of before heading into the wilderness. Silas has no issue with any of the characters refusing to kill the actual already convicted criminal who is due to be executed by the way, otherwise he wouldn't have given the bounty to the party.

Also as a comment you can trust your DM a bit here. The good guys are in charge if you haven't read that between the lines at this stage. If I was going to put everybody in a situation of true treachery I'd flag that prior to the mission and state it was that kind of game. It is plain sailing here on in as it were.

Game-wise this situation was to let people role play their characters a bit rather than simple hack'n'slash. If it's something a player feels uncomfortable with their character in I'll certainly respect that.

I'll have to think about finishing it too, it's that problematic build I had sitting around before you joined and now when I solved the Necro part but for the lif of me I can't figure out a good partner class. As for the happening, it was just as you said RPing my character and feeling that down the line he might become an issue, "poofing" him out now serves everyone best, especially if it was just a test. Last bit does he get those 300 and something of Exp? (I ask because he is close to leveling up and could influence his next assignment. Also, this has nothing to do with trust in GM. IC this was guard business and Scout riding up and throwing his weight around felt like Gwain or Red getting on the next meeting of scouts and saying "Yeah, change Marvin for Billy up there, Billy sees better on that eye, think of it as interdepartmental butting heads, not to mention Guard were treated as unwanted stepchildren so far. If Silas himself approached then ok but a scout coming to throw his weight in guard business, and Khandy would be shot at if he decided to take a potshot. He might be lvl 20 and it might be ineffectual but it's a principle that matters. Gwain is a Guard, he guards, the scout has a s*it all about executing prisoners. Maybe after "We sure got you ya greenhorns." but just execution, well he better be higher level since he seems as the decent guy.

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29 minutes ago, Grudge said:

I'll have to think about finishing it too, it's that problematic build I had sitting around before you joined and now when I solved the Necro part but for the lif of me I can't figure out a good partner class. As for the happening, it was just as you said RPing my character and feeling that down the line he might become an issue, "poofing" him out now serves everyone best, especially if it was just a test. Last bit does he get those 300 and something of Exp? (I ask because he is close to leveling up and could influence his next assignment. Also, this has nothing to do with trust in GM. IC this was guard business and Scout riding up and throwing his weight around felt like Gwain or Red getting on the next meeting of scouts and saying "Yeah, change Marvin for Billy up there, Billy sees better on that eye, think of it as interdepartmental butting heads, not to mention Guard were treated as unwanted stepchildren so far. If Silas himself approached then ok but a scout coming to throw his weight in guard business, and Khandy would be shot at if he decided to take a potshot. He might be lvl 20 and it might be ineffectual but it's a principle that matters. Gwain is a Guard, he guards, the scout has a s*it all about executing prisoners. Maybe after "We sure got you ya greenhorns." but just execution, well he better be higher level since he seems as the decent guy.

Well it seems you miss-read the IC situation a bit as well Grudge. Silas gave a clear unambiguous instruction as good commanders do, go kill whoever's over there. Not 'pretty please deal with it as you choose'. Khandy came over to reinforce the command as she's supposed to and carry it out herself at need.

As a note to the other players you can always query or clarify, if somebody had asked "kill?" they'd have got an acceptable answer.

The unwanted step children bit is a game clue - there is a problem. It's up to the players to make of it what you will.

The experience points are fine for Gwain, he played his role in the game scenario.

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Yea playing Galen to his personality and alignment. He would fight and kill anything that was fighting and trying to kill him. Once they surrender and stop fighting he is not an executioner. He will not kill in cold blood. I do not think that would in any way be a blocker for him in the game though.

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Same for Amy unless she was absolutely sure she could not trust the surrender. Like, if an Evil Outsider tried to surrender after getting its ass kicked, she'd probably not trust it and just push to end them. A human(oid) on the other hand, she feels is more likely to have a genuine change of heart after getting a good ass-kicking. If they were already slated for execution, then that's unfortunate, but not really her job. Maybe repentance just before the end will get them a better afterlife.

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3 hours ago, Thramzorean said:

Well it seems you miss-read the IC situation a bit as well Grudge. Silas gave a clear unambiguous instruction as good commanders do, go kill whoever's over there. Not 'pretty please deal with it as you choose'. Khandy came over to reinforce the command as she's supposed to and carry it out herself at need.

As a note to the other players you can always query or clarify, if somebody had asked "kill?" they'd have got an acceptable answer.

The unwanted step children bit is a game clue - there is a problem. It's up to the players to make of it what you will.

The experience points are fine for Gwain, he played his role in the game scenario.

Thram I do not want to make a thing from this. "Go and kill everything out there" is all but clear. Set out on our merry way and paint everything arterial red until the caravan reaches its goal and goes under it, of course under it go all settlements, travelers, camps on the way...basically anything that bleeds and doesn't have a "goal" tattooed on the forehead. Gwain applied to be a guard and would happily kill anything that threatened the caravan if you were aiming at guys who would kill anything you point at as a bloodhound, garden variety mercenaries were and are in ample supply in the tavern and I run several but Gwain is not one of them. Killing in cold blood someone who surrenders is not his cup of tea and sorry DnD all that spiel also doesn't fly with him either. The woman wasn't a direct threat anymore, if big, brave caravan leader Silas decided to decorate the tree with her corpse for the crimes she committed and planned to commit he had plenty of eager people to help. That also is not the guard's job. We might have a different opinion of what the guard is, and is where is a difference between a garden variety guard and a garden variety mercenary, fresh off the shelf?

What is worse this became what I wanted to avoid from the start prolonged pissing contest. My opinion was that Gwain would be a pain in the ass if Pymir is the kind of guy you want and exited immediately before that could turn into this. I offered another character that might be in more the vein you are looking for, but since this is thoroughly poisoned well now, I think there are many players that could fill that void. Also, I'm dropping the discussion about experience because if I have to ask 3 times for you to answer simply yes or no it sounds really kinda desperate. I'll find exp in another game thanks. This will be my last post on this matter and in my opinion, it's two posts two long, what is supposed to be just a friendly goodbye and no hard feelings (I pointed out in the first post that I'd love to play the game but not with Gwain since he wouldn't fit in and that it's a character issue) and that turned into this...All the best with the game.

 

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46 minutes ago, Grudge said:

Thram I do not want to make a thing from this. "Go and kill everything out there" is all but clear. Set out on our merry way and paint everything arterial red until the caravan reaches its goal and goes under it, of course under it go all settlements, travelers, camps on the way...basically anything that bleeds and doesn't have a "goal" tattooed on the forehead. Gwain applied to be a guard and would happily kill anything that threatened the caravan if you were aiming at guys who would kill anything you point at as a bloodhound, garden variety mercenaries were and are in ample supply in the tavern and I run several but Gwain is not one of them. Killing in cold blood someone who surrenders is not his cup of tea and sorry DnD all that spiel also doesn't fly with him either. The woman wasn't a direct threat anymore, if big, brave caravan leader Silas decided to decorate the tree with her corpse for the crimes she committed and planned to commit he had plenty of eager people to help. That also is not the guard's job. We might have a different opinion of what the guard is, and is where is a difference between a garden variety guard and a garden variety mercenary, fresh off the shelf?

What is worse this became what I wanted to avoid from the start prolonged pissing contest. My opinion was that Gwain would be a pain in the ass if Pymir is the kind of guy you want and exited immediately before that could turn into this. I offered another character that might be in more the vein you are looking for, but since this is thoroughly poisoned well now, I think there are many players that could fill that void. Also, I'm dropping the discussion about experience because if I have to ask 3 times for you to answer simply yes or no it sounds really kinda desperate. I'll find exp in another game thanks. This will be my last post on this matter and in my opinion, it's two posts two long, what is supposed to be just a friendly goodbye and no hard feelings (I pointed out in the first post that I'd love to play the game but not with Gwain since he wouldn't fit in and that it's a character issue) and that turned into this...All the best with the game.

 

That’s fine. Just for the record because the RFT asks for records, as I said in my previous post Gwain gets his experience points.

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darlis and Faeryl, very pleased to read your comments there by the way. That's really where I wanted to get to with the scene, getting the idea of just where the character's boundaries are in this tough grey setting - as it states on the tin lid, "trade at its most ruthless". Backstabbing, treachery within treachery, plot and counter-plot is all on, and as will unfold even those who think they are the master plotters get guzzumped. As mentioned, establishing the setting so characters have ongoing NPC relationships and an understanding of what it's about.

But for sure there won't be another 'tension' encounter. 🙂

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(Presumably we have torches or lanterns available for light since most of us used up our Light cantrips earlier.

That's just a check to ask you to confirm what you are using please... I've not gone through people's sheets to see if they've got an ever burning lantern or similar. If somebody is going to scout forward with darkvision only please say so sort of thing.

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Well, I was inferring that the caravan wagons would have at least one lantern each or something. Maybe an extra or two 'just in case'. You know, something we could borrow for those without darkvision.

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2 hours ago, Thramzorean said:

For sure lanterns or torches are definitely available to be borrowed if somebody has left these behind at home 🙂

Well Galen did not forget them, just has darkvision and does not need them. Lol

 

On another note I had a senior moment because in my head I had already worked out a post for Galen the other day and that somehow translated to me thinking i had posted it. 😆 🤣 😂

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Haha I've done that on more than one occasion. My future is looking bleak.. Also I forgo light sources as well as I don't need them. Hopefully it doesn't make someone too much of a target..

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