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President Trump

   
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Collective agrarianism could work better, but it requires levels of cooperating I'm not convinced humans are capable of.
I have thought about what might convince people that cooperation is possible, and at the end of the day, the best I can say is STFU.

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Originally Posted by silveroak View Post
The problem is not simply that Trump is doing business, but *how* he does business. Good businesses run cooperatively, produce value, and investors and creditors share in the created wealth. Trumps businesses took investor and creditors for a bath and made him rich.
Now he is running the country the same way, looking out for number 1, more concerned with his popularity, the loyalty of his cabinet, and diverting government funds towards his own business than in running the country. Does he love Putin? I doubt it, but I do think he loves Putin's money. And apparently he gets a lot of it.
Okay, but do you have any proof that he took putin's money and is diverting funds from the government to run his own business?

That second part is pretty damned easy, with the Trump administration paying absurd millions to Trump businesses as a direct result of Trump(and/or his administration)'s activities.

And the amount of money his hotels are making as he uses his position to encourage foreign dignitaries to stay in them, with similar Official Presidential plugs and endorsements for his and his kids' other businesses.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/25/po...e-trump-tower/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/08...ump-tower.html

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Originally Posted by Nerd-o-rama View Post
And the amount of money his hotels are making as he uses his position to encourage foreign dignitaries to stay in them, with similar Official Presidential plugs and endorsements for his and his kids' other businesses.
~Supposedly~ (according to Trump) the profits from such foreign use of Trump businesses will be voluntarily surrendered to the US Treasury. I haven't seen anything confirming whether that has actually happened, or how it would be verified, or really anything much more than Trump pinky swearing that the corrupt thing than he clearly appears to be doing is actually going to benefit the nation, and not directly his own businesses, and so isn't really corrupt.

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Originally Posted by Tedronai View Post
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/25/po...e-trump-tower/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/08...ump-tower.html


~Supposedly~ (according to Trump) the profits from such foreign use of Trump businesses will be voluntarily surrendered to the US Treasury. I haven't seen anything confirming whether that has actually happened, or how it would be verified, or really anything much more than Trump pinky swearing that the corrupt thing than he clearly appears to be doing is actually going to benefit the nation, and not directly his own businesses, and so isn't really corrupt.
That's similar to his promise not to take vacations, right? Or to not take a salary?

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Originally Posted by DragonBarbarian View Post
Okay, but do you have, idk, evidence?
Do you not watch the news or is it all just Fake News you're free to disregard?

I think I understand what Barbarian is getting at: hard/concrete evidence to cite or refer back to that establishes line of effect

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Originally Posted by Nerd-o-rama View Post
Do you not watch the news or is it all just Fake News you're free to disregard?
Would be nice if folks held everyone to that standard, not just those they disagree with.




 

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