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Agreed. I stuck with War and Peace too long. Turns out, famous or not, it's just terrible. But if I gave up on every slow-starter, I'd never have read and loved all the Steinbeck books that I have. It's a personal balancing act, no doubt, but I do know that quitting halfway through the first chapter of a book or the first episode of a tv show is a silly way to try to find things to like.

With a book, you can afford a slow start.

Books and TV are not the same thing.
Name one TV show or movie where you though "Gyad, these first 10-20 minutes are terrible, but suddenly something brilliant happened and now it's just great." If you weren't really interested by the 10 minute mark, why did you keep watching? A lot of brilliant cinema starts slow, but something about it really hooks you in. Look at... Hitchcock's Psycho. Or just about anything Hitchcock did. Starts slow, but some hook early on really catches the audience--even his strange Under Capricorn period drama had an amazing and compelling style right from the beginning. First Doctor Who episode I saw was rated (unfairly) as one of the worst. But it was my introduction to a brilliant show.

But then again, I'm old, and TV isn't made with me in mind.

I'll do you one better: I'll name multiple shows that I wasn't interested in after 10-20 minutes but was after 1-2 hours.

1. The Wire. Hands down the best cop show ever made, but the first episode is almost impossible to follow without knowing the characters. Easy to dismiss, but what a shame that would be.

2. Breaking Bad. A modern day Macbeth. It's incredible...but it's also slow to get rolling. You really need to hit the end of episode two (that bathtub!) before things really get rolling.

3. Game of Thrones. Episode one not only introduces dozens of characters, but it features rape. Rape is almost always a no-go for me and, had I not read the books, I may have given up. But I knew I liked the story so I stuck with it. Thank the gods above and below that I did.

I could keep going, Magellan, but I think you get the idea.

The Wire: couldn't stand it.
Breaking Bad: already covered.
Game of Thrones: I do not enjoy Porn. Because of the reputation, I sat through almost the entire first season--I view this as time wasted that I will never get back. The only remotely interesting character (and the only reason I was able to tolerate as much as I did) was Tyrion, but he had at most 5 minutes of an hour long episode, and that just isn't enough to make the rest remotely tolerable. Again, already covered.

Once again, if you weren't interested after 20 minutes, why did you keep watching?

Because the first twenty minutes don't dictate the quality of the next twenty hours of content.

To be honest, though, I'm not trying to win an argument with you, Magellan - you and I both know that you'll never let that happen. You asked a question; I answered it. For my own sanity, I think it's best I leave it at that. Have a good day.

The relevance of the examples is not whether you liked them, it's whether someone disliked the start but liked the rest of them. The point is that, there are plenty of things which start badly but get better.

I already mentioned one previously - Dirk Gentley's Holistic Detective Agency. The first episode was so incoherent as to be, frankly, pretty awful; the series as a whole was great (albeit pretty wacky and definitely not to everyone's taste).

The Expense actually does have a pretty punchy hook early on, but I don't think that's exactly what reeled me in. I mean, a show like this, it's about the vastness and harshness of space; you could very much make a show that had none of this one's plot whatsoever and just do it episodically, focusing on survival. Actually, this has a pretty strong overarching plot which, whilst a bit odd, is certainly dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Raistlinmc View Post
Because the first twenty minutes don't dictate the quality of the next twenty hours of content.

To be honest, though, I'm not trying to win an argument with you, Magellan - you and I both know that you'll never let that happen. You asked a question; I answered it. For my own sanity, I think it's best I leave it at that. Have a good day.
I was about to say much the same thing. From a different point of view of course.
Plus I think I've derailed the conversation off topic, for which I apologize.

My SO and I are not naturally sci-fi people, but the Expanse came highly recommended from some gamer friends of mine, so we started on it. I thought the first few shows were good, very well done even, but they were hard for me to follow. Once or twice I paused the show to try to sort out who was where. Once I figured out the three layers: Earth, Mars, OPA, it got much easier (I'm slow). And by the first half of season 1, we were hooked and had a much better understanding of the geography of our solar system (Ganymede, Ceres, Eros, etc.). In all, however, I consider that a feature not a bug.

As I said, I don't watch much sci-fi, but it is definitely the most enjoyable sci-fi shows I've seen in a long time.

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To be honest, though, I'm not trying to win an argument
This. Arguing with someone about whether or not a show is "good," is like arguing with someone about whether or not pancakes are good. Our subjective tastes with regards to a show are not objective realities about the show's quality (nor are words like "objective quality" even meaningful when referencing a piece of entertainment). Sadly, I think humans get a much bigger dopamine hit from typing "That show was terrible!" (all caps optional) than they do from typing "I didn't like that show at all!" . . . even though only one of those statements is actually true.

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Game of Thrones: I do not enjoy Porn.
Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way, that's why I don't watch as well. I could say a lot more but that would further derail the thread and I don't want to do that, it deserves a thread of its own, lol.

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Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way,
Ditto. We draw the line at sexual violence in our house. That's a deal breaker in any medium for us.







 

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