4E: The Dweller in the Wintervale

Originally Posted by Farland
Take it out?
No. Given the rest of what she can do, the PCs are going to need something to help take her down - and just about every non-martial class has a fire-based attack. By endgame levels, players won't have an issue with modifying their weapons, and should expect to bring Fire into the lair of a cold-based creature.

Shouldn't she have Resist cold 20 in addition to psychic and necrotic?

She's immune to cold.

Okay, I was away this weekend, so I am late on the publication, but I updated her, so check out the latest version.

Seems better. Punishing Rebuke won't stop enemies from hitting her, uses single target powers and can't trigger Glory in Destruction. That's an improvement all around. All the Ages of the World seems clearer now, that's good. I don't see any specific problems, we'll see what the rest of the peanut gallery says.

Definitely an improvement. I still think that forceful cage is a promised TPK- there is nothing that stops her from locking out the leader or defender with it.

The defense of fortitude would be 40 something: 10 for base, 15 for level, 6 for item, 10 for stat (or so, my guesstimate!)- assuming no feats: 41.

Dweller has a +49, on a d20 she's aiming at 59 or so for your expected value, assuming she is consistently marked, and your party has permanent concealment, that drops it to a 55, your lowest value you can expect is 47 (2+49-4). It's an almost guaranteed hit that can and will let her pick off people one by one. A highly intelligent creature will (should) be able to single out what their greatest threat is, lock it down, take care of the rest.

Teleport 10 means no escape from this creature- truesight negates invisibility as a defense. Her ability to slow/dazed will prevent any kind of defender from functioning as punishment- teleport negates any kind of OA against her, using a swordmage may help but only if you're not dazed.

Closer assessment
vs Defenders
Here's what I see vs various defenders: let's say AC is 18+ level (that's a high estimate, I think)
Reach 1 type (shield fighters, wardens, swordmages)- are crap out of luck against the Dweller. She'll average 50 AC hits on reactions that don't even need to target him, she can probably take him down by reaction attacks alone. dazed and weakened defenders don't do much damage, and can't threaten much if she can just teleport away to where he can't reach them. Dazing also takes away the immediate action.

Reach 2+ type- even worse unless you have a high dex, against reflex it's around a 49. Most defenders don't have a high reflex, dazed restrained is the most likely combination here.

vs controllers
Battlefield control is nearly useless, sliding, hindering terrain, etc. all not very helpful seeing as how the dweller has teleport and can fly.

granting save ends conditions: not so much, +5 to saves means a 75% chance to save on each effect, in addition to being able to make throws as soon as it occurs. High will makes it even harder to stun/daze her.

However, susceptible to debuffs- a 46 and 47 to reflex are both hittable: +15 half level, +10 ability score, +6 magic item, +3 expertise: +34, so we're talking maybe 60/70% hit rate from the controller. Debuffing (lowering attack bonuses, making it harder for her to hit; or lowering defenses) is your best chance here.

vs leaders
Were I using this creature, I would be locking out the leader. Force cage and other attacks target NADs. Force cage would hit leader each and every time they are free- this prevents buffs and heals for you to drop the striker. If the cage is not saved against the cage would be open to use against another person.

Leaders stack up on save bonuses- end of encounter effects etc. This fight can and will suck for you.

Also I'd go into this fight with 2 leaders, for a standard party of 5.

vs strikers
You'll be my focus if I was this creature. I can ignore the controller and defender, lock out the leader, and focus on you. You will defintely be slowed, playing ranged won't help you much, my ranged 20 with teleport 10 will get to you almost anywhere you go. Going invisible won't help you much either. If you're in melee that's even worse, you can bet on being caught in the blast with the defender every single turn.

Summation of thoughts
In short, this is a hard fight, the reduction of the blast power as a reaction is a good move to make it more "fun". Forceful Cage probably forces this to be a 2 leader fight, be prepared to have one frustrated player. I would again suggest that forceful cage be made into at the very least a recharge on 4,5,6. Countermeasures below:

Everyone in the party should stack on necrotic + cold resist gear, everyone should wear boots of teleportation.

Forgo "save ends" effects for end of next turn effects.

Timely Respite is your friend in this case- it should give you another throw against the annoying force cage.

Using flaming weapons: everyone. Bring a fire wizard, or sorc, everyone should have a reliable way of dealing fire damage.

So you think the force cage is too powerful and should become a minor action with a recharge. Hmmm... interesting idea. What about writing in that only one enemy can be cages at a time? That way if the save isn't made immediately, she can't continue to cage leaders and controllers? Would that make it better?

limiting to one force cage at a time could be a good fix as well- the worry I had, since she could fire off one every turn, is that if you get unlucky- this is the pattern:

Turn 1: 1 cage active, failed save for player 1
turn 2: 2 cages active, failed save for player 1 and 2
turn 3: 3 cages active, failed save for player 1, 2, and 3.

Worst case scenario, half the party is done for before the fight actually starts, since they can't DO anything. One a turn would limit it so that if I were using her, it would limit the use to the greatest threat.

Good point. I will def limit it to one cage at a time. Is it still too powerful then? Do I then also need to add a 3-6 recharge with a boss of this level, or no?

I think if limited to 1/time the creature should be at the challenge level you're looking to give. Putting a recharge on it might make it weaker than you wanted. I remember you mentioned that this was meant to be a really hard encounter, so I wouldn't give players that much

With the proper gear and setup it IS possible to take this creature down, but it will take a god awful amount of work to actually do it.


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